I haven't been to Japan for over 20 years now, so I can't say what it's like today. 20 years ago, you might find an arrogant idiot, but lazy was not tolerated. It was simply culturally unacceptable.
Why do "Chinesium" chainsaws need a richer oil mix?
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Yeah, but I think the point of this part if the discussion is that nobody cares. Even those of us who genuinely want to do what we can to take care of our environment are more than happy to aggravate any of the 3 letter alphabet organizations when we can. Talking about whether or not they are EPA compliant is like having a discussion about paying sales tax for on-line purchases or cash sales for previously owned products.
The Japanese are on a different level when it comes to be conscientious at their jobs. Laziness just isn't tolerated. And from an engineering standpoint their culture of continuous improvement is amazing albeit stressful on the engineers that are a part of it.
That maybe so, but let's be honest they are not legal for sale in the US and the Chinese scumbags that sell them know this. You want to aid and abed these people that's on you.
thenne1713
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China had zero respect for any US Patents in past years, not sure what has changed in past 10-20-yrs, esp. w/ the counterfeits; still see same products, maybe they just quit labeling as authentic and thus Holtzforma, expired patents, etc.? US GOV acceptance of their violations has surely changed? Then what happened with the EPA/ certification issues?
China just isn't a reputable country that respects the international rules, laws and order. The scheme, counterfeit and cheat whenever they can.
I don't disagree, but that also sounds like most of corporate America. Gone is the day of being able to take someone at their word when it comes to a business deal, or recognizing that the "little man" is just as vital to an organization as the top dog.
The idea of being legal for sale in the US is a gray area. On one hand, the FED has the authority and responsibility to regulate international trade. On the other hand, their policies and enforcement standards change depending on the country in question. Fair, no. Reality, yes. Life has never been about fairness, and if the OEMs don't like it they need to get better funding for their PAC.
Corporate America does by and large respect thing like intellectual property, etc. Generally they play buy the rules. CHina almost never does.
And it's not a gray area. They are not legal for sale in the US. They are in violation of the clean air act.
thenne1713
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Sorry, forgot to answer MY OPINION is I use Echo JASO FD RATED OIL at 50:1 in everything, and I suspect it would work just fine in the CH saws also. Most JASO FD oils are improved synthetics, and THAT is the qualifying difference between new 2-cycle oils and old oils. "YOUR Mileage may vary"
echomeister
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Corporate America has Lawyers on staff that advises management of the cost incurred by infringing patents. Especially if it looks like willful infringement. Even the Chinese sawmakers are scared. See the gasket covering the nh843 strato port
GeneralKayoss
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I don't think anyone cares about the legality TBH. I'll keep on buying them until the EPA comes and arrests me
thompsoncustom
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I wish the made some drop in parts for my diesels to bypass all the EPA **** i'd be all over it. Emissions garbage is not enforced in my state luckily except for semi's they still have to comply somewhat at least.I don't think anyone cares about the legality TBH. I'll keep on buying them until the EPA comes and arrests me
So you think that was intentional and not an oversight?
Nah, they're perfectly legal for sale here in the US. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to buy them so easily.
To get this thread back on topic, this neotec nh895 manual says 50:1
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