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  1. 01-13-2010, 01:39 PM #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneoldbanjo View Post
    For most of us the problem is not an adequate octane rating.....we are just trying to get an ethanol free fuel that has a reasonable amount of shelf life. I know that the ethanol laced fuel we have in the Cincinnati area is resposible for rusting my 1974 motorcycle fuel tank and causing my 2009 nylon tank on my Sherco trials bike to swell and become too flexible.
    Cinci fuel with ETOH destroyed my FIL's storage tank on the farm. Thick sludge came out of it, followed by lots of water and finally unusable fuel. The tank was 500 gallons or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneoldbanjo View Post
    For most of us the problem is not an adequate octane rating.....we are just trying to get an ethanol free fuel that has a reasonable amount of shelf life.




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  3. 01-13-2010, 01:52 PM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by super3 View Post
    Give that man a beer!
    Would that be an "alcohol" free beer?
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    After reading through most of this http://blizzard.rwic.und.edu/~nordli.../gasoline.html it looks like the additive package is just as important as the refining process. I ran a couple of gallons of Sunoco 110 in my saws, they seemed to run OK, I definitely had some idling issues even after adjusting the carb. I didn't notices any change in power one way or the other. I stopped running it do to cost, and I didn't like the smell, or the lead coating it left in the engine. It did seem to burn clean otherwise. This stuff looks ideal for chainsaws. http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...dFuels/RMR.htm

    Yes the fuel we have here in Cincinnati doesn't last long at all, after a few weeks it starts to smell bad, and in the hot humid weather I'm always concerned about the alcohol and moisture.
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  5. 01-13-2010, 03:20 PM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyshine77 View Post
    This stuff looks ideal for chainsaws. http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...dFuels/RMR.htm
    That fuel's oxygenated, which I believe means contains alcohol. Sunoco 260 GTX is not. LINK
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    Both of these look good for making more power, but not concerned about storage. Sunoco 260 GT and Sunoco MO2X. The MO2X even talks about the need to burn fast in small high revving engines and provide fast throttle response. Here's a link to help find Sunoco 260 GT 100 by state, LINK.
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    I talked to a VP guy out in OK this afternoon. His name was Dan Wall, a very helpful guy. Here's what I learned from him.

    U4.2 would make more power than the other fuels. However, it's not a long term storage fuel. Just like carbonated pop, it will loose it's kick after perhaps 6 months. The most stable long term fuel they sell is the SAF94. It was designed for users like firefighters, that have a saw they need to start reliable, even after long periods of inactivity.

    SAF94 - $68.15
    Motorsport 100/Streetblaze 100 - $65.15
    U4.2 - $75.25

    He said MotorSport 100 and Streetblaze 100 are the same fuel.

    He also confirmed that 100LL is designed for low ambient temps and low RPMs, like 2,500. In no way is it an ideal fuel for chainsaw application. It may work and it may store longer, but that's where it stops.
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    I like what they said about the RMR the best, I don't know how, but didn't see that it was oxygenated. Your right it may not have the best shelf life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyshine77 View Post
    I like what they said about the RMR the best, I didn't see that it was oxygenated. Your right it may not have the best shelf life.
    According to that link, I can get the 260 GT about 6 miles from here. If so, I'll be trying it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blsnelling View Post
    According to that link, I can get the 260 GT about 6 miles from here. If so, I'll be trying it out.
    I hope it's more stable than regular pump gas, I bet it will burn nice and clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyshine77 View Post
    I hope it's more stable than regular pump gas, I bet it will burn nice and clean.
    I gots to go see if they actually have it Baah.
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    If I had my choice I'd be running ->THIS<- stuff but I can't get it local and it would be about $11.00 a gallon for me to have it trucked in by the barrel from the distributor. No thanks, for between $2.50 and $5.00 a gallon (running around $4.00 right now for some reason) I think I'll stick with the AV thats available most anywhere, and my insurance man doesn't have to freak out over the "bulk Fuel" storage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blsnelling View Post
    I gots to go see if they actually have it Baah.
    Brad, do your homework..... 260GT is Turbo Blue is Cam2..... same fuel labeled different for different markets.

    Ive got Cam2 at the pump 5 miles up the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyolf View Post
    Erick (in response to my link):

    Probably a bit long and distracting for the casual learner eyolf..... nonetheless you're right a good read for those who choose to wade through it.
    There has been a lot of chatter here lately about fuel and oil. I don't know many of the answers either, and its been close to 30 years since I had a chem class, but I thought everyone could use a scholarly look at the subject. Don't read it all at once; bookmark it and take a little bite here and there!

    Or not.

    I'd be curious to know how much antiknock most of our chainsaws actually need. When I was a kid, some gas stations sold "white gas" for Coleman lamps and camp stoves. A few people used it in outboard motors too; the thinking was plugs lasted longer and they started better. That stuff had an octane about 50 or 60 on a good day.

    I wasn't Poo Pooing your link eyolf, like I said it’s a very good resource, just a lot of info to wade through. There are other sites out there that can give you the quick and dirty basics in a couple of paragraphs for those of us who are attention deficient.


    In answer to the second part of your question... not much. Most saws are designed to run on 87-89 octane.... and they do.... quite well in fact.

    I now make my living replacing swollen gummie fuel lines, rebuilding lean sized saws, and rebuilding gummed up carbs with rock hard diaphrams..... I LOOOOVE ethanol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneoldbanjo View Post
    Would that be an "alcohol" free beer?

    Whatever you choose buddy!
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