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  1. 11-19-2010, 02:31 AM #1
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    I have a wood question.

    I cut ALOT of hard wood. Maple, Oak, Hickory, Walnut, and Locus. My question is, is hard wood easier to cut through then soft? Is dead hard wood easier to cut then dead soft? Basically rank the wood. Which is the hardest to cut hard living, hard dead, soft living, or soft dead. I am from Michigan and under stand that we have trees that some people have not cut nor I know I have never cut every type of tree out there. Just looking for some common knowledge about this. Thanks Guys and Gals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jchevytruckman View Post
    I cut ALOT of hard wood. Maple, Oak, Hickory, Walnut, and Locus. My question is, is hard wood easier to cut through then soft? Is dead hard wood easier to cut then dead soft? Basically rank the wood. Which is the hardest to cut hard living, hard dead, soft living, or soft dead. I am from Michigan and under stand that we have trees that some people have not cut nor I know I have never cut every type of tree out there. Just looking for some common knowledge about this. Thanks Guys and Gals
    Here's my ranking hardest to easiest: Dry hardwood, green hardwood, dry softwood, green softwood - assuming by hardwood you mean the woods you listed vs Pine in general. Some Pines can be harder to cut than softwoods. If the "deadwood" is punky, it will be very easy to cut regardless of the type and not much use as firewood.

    As for those you listed, hardest to easiest: Locust, Hickory, Oak, Maple, Walnut - IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buzz sawyer View Post
    Here's my ranking hardest to easiest: Dry hardwood, green hardwood, dry softwood, green softwood - assuming by hardwood you mean the woods you listed vs Pine in general. Some Pines can be harder to cut than softwoods. If the "deadwood" is punky, it will be very easy to cut regardless of the type and not much use as firewood.

    As for those you listed, hardest to easiest: Locust, Hickory, Oak, Maple, Walnut - IMO.
    Agree - as I believe you meant to state some pines can be harder than hardwoods. Some hardwoods, such as poplar, are very soft and are very easy to cut. The two groups will overlap. And within both groupings hardness can vary greatly within a particular type similar to pine. Ron
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    I think there is a chart or scale (janka wood hardness) that will provide part of your answer. If you puddle around the internet, you can probably find it.
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    Of the wood I cut, Oak, (both red & white), Hickory, Ash, Maple. The shagbark hickory is the hardest to cut, and hardest on a chain. Maybe its the bark on these that will quickly dull a chain. Easiest to cut I would say Ash. Oaks can be tough, but I would rather cut oak all day, rather than a Shagbark Hickory..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jchevytruckman View Post
    I cut ALOT of hard wood. Maple, Oak, Hickory, Walnut, and Locus. My question is, is hard wood easier to cut through then soft? Is dead hard wood easier to cut then dead soft? Basically rank the wood. Which is the hardest to cut hard living, hard dead, soft living, or soft dead. I am from Michigan and under stand that we have trees that some people have not cut nor I know I have never cut every type of tree out there. Just looking for some common knowledge about this. Thanks Guys and Gals
    My ranking goes as follows

    Softwood is easier than hardwood
    For the most part - Dead softwood is easier than dead Hardwood. (unless you're talking about Birch, cause that can get punky, same with Aspen)

    Hardest to Softest

    Live hardwood, Dead hardwood, live softwood, dead softwood
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    Toughest wood to cut

    Anything that has been skidded regardless of the species, especially in mud season. Winter when the ground is frozen isn't too bad.

    As to clean hardwood, Shagbark Hickory seems to be the stuff that dulls chains the most quickly in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CentaurG2 View Post
    I think there is a chart or scale (janka wood hardness) that will provide part of your answer. If you puddle around the internet, you can probably find it.
    yup.

    WOOD FLOORING SPECIES HARDNESS
    Ipe / Brazilian Walnut / Lapacho 3684
    Cumaru / Brazilian Teak 3540
    Ebony 3220
    Brazilian Redwood / Paraju 3190
    Angelim Pedra 3040
    Bloodwood 2900
    Red Mahogany / Turpentine 2697
    Spotted Gum 2473
    Brazilian Cherry / Jatoba 2350
    Mesquite 2345
    Santos Mahogany / Bocote / Cabreuva 2200
    Pradoo 2170
    Brushbox 2135
    Karri 2030
    Sydney Blue Gum 2023
    Bubinga 1980
    Cameron 1940
    Tallowwood 1933
    Merbau 1925
    Amendoim 1912
    Jarrah 1910
    Purpleheart 1860
    Goncalo Alves / Tigerwood 1850
    Hickory / Pecan / Satinwood 1820
    Afzelia / Doussie 1810
    Bangkirai 1798
    Rosewood 1780
    African Padauk 1725
    Blackwood 1720
    Merbau 1712
    Kempas 1710
    Locust 1700
    Highland Beech 1686
    Wenge / Red Pine 1630
    Tualang 1624
    Zebrawood 1575
    True Pine / Timborana 1570
    Peroba 1557
    Kambala 1540
    Sapele / Sapelli 1510
    Curupixa 1490
    Sweet Birch 1470
    Hard Maple / Sugar Maple 1450
    Coffee Bean 1390
    Natural Bamboo (represents one species) 1380
    Australian Cypress 1375
    White Oak 1360
    Tasmanian Oak 1350
    Ribbon Gum 1349
    Ash (White) 1320
    American Beech 1300
    Red Oak (Northern) 1290
    Carribean Heart Pine 1280
    Yellow Birch 1260
    Movingui 1230
    Heart Pine 1225
    Carbonized Bamboo (represents one species) 1180
    Cocobolo 1136
    Brazilian Eucalyptus / Rose Gum 1125
    Makore 1100
    Boreal 1023
    Black Walnut 1010
    Teak 1000
    Sakura 995
    Black Cherry / Imbuia 950
    Boire 940
    Paper Birch 910
    Cedar 900
    Southern Yellow Pine (Longleaf) 870
    Lacewood / Leopardwood 840
    Parana 780
    Sycamore 770
    Shedua 710
    Southern Yellow Pine (Loblolly and Shortleaf) 690
    Douglas Fir 660
    Larch 590
    Chestnut 540
    Hemlock 500
    White Pine 420
    Basswood 410
    Eastern White Pine 380
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    I'm why are you asking? you say you have cut so many different types of wood. do you only operate under the influence?
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    I would like to get in to some of the soft wood just one time.
    I cut White and Post Oak 95% of the time with some Headge, Red Oak, Hickory and Locust

    Looks like Osage Orange (Headge) is the hardest thing I cut, but I knew that

    Here's list with a few more

    Side Hardness of Some Woods Common name Scientific name side hardness,
    Janka test,
    at 12% moisture content
    kilonewtons pounds-force
    afrormosia Pericopsis elata 6.9 1560
    albarco Cariniana spp. 4.5 1020
    alder, red Alnus rubra 2.6 590
    andiroba Carapa guianensis 5.0 1130
    angelin Andira inermis 7.8 1750
    angelique Dicorynia guianensis 5.7 1290
    anime Protium spp. 920
    apple Malus sylvestris 7.7 1730
    ash, black Fraxinus nigra 3.8 850
    ash, blue Fraxinus quadrangulata 9.0 2030
    ash, green Fraxinus pennsylvanica 5.3 1200
    ash, oregon Fraxinus latifolia 5.2 1160
    ash, pumpkin Fraxinus profunda 4.4 990
    ash, white Fraxinus americana 5.9 1320
    aspen, bigtooth Populus grandidentata 1.9 420
    aspen, quaking Populus tremuloides 1.6 350
    avodire Turraeanthus africanus 4.8 1080
    azobe Lophira alata 14.9 3350
    baldcypress Taxcodium distichum 2.3 570
    banak Virola spp. 2.3 510
    basswood, American Tilia americana 1.8 410
    basswood, Carolina Tilia caroliniana
    basswood, white Tilia heterophylla
    beech, American Fagus grandifolia 5.8 1300
    benge Guibourtia arnoldiana 7.8 1750
    birch, gray Betula populifolia 3.4 760
    birch, paper Betula papyrifera 4.0 910
    birch, river Betula nigra
    birch, sweet Betula lenta 6.5 1470
    birch, yellow Betula alleghaniensis 5.6 1260
    boxelder Acer negundo 3.2 720
    bubinga Guibourtia spp. 12.0 2690
    buckeye, Ohio Aesculus glabra
    buckeye, yellow Aesculus octandra 1.6 350
    buckthorn, cascara Rhamnus purshiana 4.6 1040
    bulletwood Manilkara bidentata 14.2 3190
    butternut Juglans cinerea 2.2 490
    buttonwood Conocarpus erectus
    catalpa, northern Catalpa speciosa 2.4 550
    catalpa, southern Catalpa bignonioides 2.4 550
    cativo Prioria copaifera 2.8 630
    cedar, Alaska Chamaecyparis nootkatensis 2.6 580
    cedar, atlantic white Chamaecyparis thyoides 1.6 350
    cedar, Port Orford Chamaecyparis lawsoniana 3.2 720
    cedar, yellow 2.6 580
    ceiba Ceiba pentandra 1.1 240
    chalviande Virola spp. 481
    cherry, black Prunus serotina 4.2 950
    chestnut, American Castenea dentata 2.4 540
    chinkapin, giant Castanopsis chrysophylla 3.2 730
    coffeetree, Kentucky Gymnocladus dioicus 6,2 1390
    cottonwood) balsam poplar Populus balsamifera 1.3 300
    cottonwood, black Populus trichocarpa 1.6 350
    cottonwood, eastern Populus deltoides 1.9 430
    courbaril Hymenaea courbaril 10.5 2350
    cuangare Dialyanthera spp. 1.7 380
    cypress, Mexican Cupressus lustianica 2.0 460
    degame Calycophyllum candidissimum 8.6 1940
    determa Ocotea rubra 2.9 660
    dogwood, flowering Cornus florida 9.6 2150
    Douglas-fir, coast Pseudotsuga menziesii 3.2 710
    Douglas-fir, interior west Pseudotsuga menziesii 2.9 660
    Douglas-fir, interior north Pseudotsuga menziesii 2.7 600
    Douglas-fir, interior south Pseudotsuga menziesii 2.3 510
    ekop Tetraberlinia tubmaniana
    elder, blue Sambucus cerulea 3.7 840
    elm, american Ulmus americana 3.7 830
    elm, cedar Ulmus crassifolia 5.9 1320
    elm, rock Ulmus thomasii 5.9 1320
    elm, slippery Ulmus rubra 3.8 860
    elm, winged Ulmus alata 6.8 1540
    fir, balsam Abies balsamea 1.8 400
    fir, California red Abies magnifica 2.2 500
    fir, grand Abies grandis 2.2 490
    fir, noble Abies procera 1.8 410
    fir, pacific silver Abies amabilis 1.9 430
    fir, subalpine Abies lasiocarpa 1.6 350
    fir, white Abies concolor 2.1 480
    hackberry Celtis occidentalis 3.9 880
    hackberry, netleaf Celtis reticulata
    (hackberry) sugarberry Celtis laevigata
    hemlock, eastern Tsuga canadensis 2.2 500
    hemlock, mountain Tsuga mertensiana 3.0 680
    hemlock, western Tsuga heterophylla 2.4 540

    hickory, pecan Carya illinoensis 8.1 1820
    hickory. mockernut Carya tomentosa 8.8 1970
    hickory, pignut Carya glabra 9.5 2140
    hickory, shagbark Carya ovata 8.4 1880
    hickory, shellbark Carya lacinosa 8.1 1810
    holly, American Ilex opaca 4.5 1020
    honeylocust Gleditsia triacanthos 7.0 1580
    hophornbeam, eastern Ostrya virginiana 8.3 1860
    hornbeam, American Carpinus caroliniana 7.9 1780
    incense-cedar Libocedrus decurrens 2.1 470
    ipe Tabebuia spp., lapacho group 16.4 3680
    (@15%) 390
    juniper, alligator Juniperus deppeana 5.2 1160
    juniper, western Juniperus occidentalis
    kaneelhart Licaria spp. 12.9 2900
    kapur Dryobalanops spp. 5.5 1230
    karri Eucalyptus diversicolor 9.1 2040
    kempas Koompassia malaccensis 7.6 1710
    keruing Dipterocarpus spp. 5.6 1270
    larch, western Larix occidentalis 3.7 830
    laurel, California Umbellularia californica 5.6 1270
    laurel, mountain Kalmia latifolia 8.0 1790
    lignumvitae Guaiacum spp. 20.0 4500
    limba Terminalia superba 2.2 490
    locust, black Robinia pseudoacacia 7.6 1700
    macawood Platymiscium spp. 14.0 3150
    madrone, Pacific Arbutus menziesii 6.5 1460
    (magnolia) cucumber tree Magnolia acuminata 3.1 700
    magnolia, southern Magnolia grandiflora 4.5 1020
    (magnolia) sweetbay Magnolia virginiana
    mahogany, African Khaya spp. 3.7 830
    mahogany, true Swietenia macrophylla 3.6 800
    manbarklak Eschweilera spp. 15.5 3480
    manni Symphonia globulifera 5.0 1120
    maple, bigleaf Acer macrophyllum 3.8 850
    maple, black Acer nigrum 5.2 1180
    maple, red Acer rubrum 4.2 950
    maple, silver Acer saccharimum 3.1 700
    maple, sugar Acer saccharum 6.4 1450
    marishballi Lincania spp. 15.9 3570
    merbau Intsia spp. 6.7
    (@15%) 1500
    mersawa Anisoptera spp. 5.7 1290
    mesquite Prosopis spp.
    mora Mora spp. 10.2 2300
    oak, black Quercus velutina 5.4 1210
    oak, cherrybark Quercus falcata var pagodifolia 6.6 1480
    oak, southern red Quercus falcata 4.7 1060
    oak, laurel Quercus laurifolia 5.4 1210
    oak, northern red Quercus rubra 5.7 1290
    oak, pin Quercus palustris 6.7 1510
    oak, scarlet Quercus coccinea 6.2 1400
    oak, shumard Quercus shumardii
    oak, water Quercus nigra 5.3 1190
    oak, willow Quercus phellos 6.5 1460
    oak, bur Quercus macrocarpa 6.1 1370
    oak, chestnut Quercus prinus 5.0 1130
    oak, live Quercus virginiana
    oak, overcup Quercus lyrata 5.3 1190
    oak, post Quercus stellata 6.0 1360
    oak, swamp chestnut Quercus michauxii 5.5 1240
    oak, swamp white Quercus bicolor 7.2 1620
    oak, white Quercus alba 6.0 1360
    obeche Triplochiton scleroxylon 1.9 430
    okoume Aucoumea klaineana 1.7 380
    opepe Nauclea diderrichii 7.3 1630
    osage orange Maclura pomifera 9.1 (green) 2040
    ovangkol Guibourtia ehie
    para-angelim Hymenolobium excelsum 7.7 1720
    parana-pine Araucaria augustifolia 3.5 780
    pau marfim Balfourodendron riedelianum
    peroba de campos Paratecoma peroba 7.1 1600
    peroba rosa Aspidosperma spp., peroba group 7.7 1730
    persimmon, common Diospyros virginiana 10.2 2300
    pilon Hyeronima spp. 7.6 1700
    pine, Caribbean Pinus caribaea 5.5 1240
    pine, eastern white Pinus strobus 1.7 380
    pine, jack Pinus banksiana 2.5 570
    pine, Jeffrey Pinus jeffreyi 2.2 500
    pine, limber Pinus flexilis 1.9 430
    pine, loblolly Pinus taeda 3.1 690
    pine, lodgepole Pinus contorta 2.1 480
    pine, longleaf Pinus palustris 3.9 870
    pine, ocote Pinus oocarpa 4.0 910
    pine, pinyon Pinus edulis 3.8 860
    pine, pitch Pinus rigida 2.8 620
    pine, pond Pinus serotina 3.3 740
    pine, ponderosa Pinus ponderosa 2.0 460
    pine, Monterey Pinus radiata 3.3 750*
    pine. red Pinus resinosa 2.5 560
    pine, sand Pinus clausa 3.3 730
    pine, shortleaf Pinus echinata 3.1 690
    pine, slash Pinus elliotti
    pine, spruce Pinus glabra 2.9 660
    pine, sugar Pinus lambertiana 1.7 380
    pine, Table Mountain Pinus pungens 2.9 660
    pine, virginia Pinus virginiana 3.3 740
    pine, western white Pinus monticola 1.9 420
    piquia Caryocar spp. 7.7 1720
    primavera Tabebula donnell-smithii 2.9 660
    pulgande Dacryodes spp. 666
    purpleheart Peltogyne spp. 8.3 1860
    ramin Gonystylus bancanus 5.8 1300
    redcedar, eastern Juniperus virginiana 4.0 900
    redcedar, southern Juniperus silicicola 2.7 610
    redcedar, western Thuja plicata 1.6 350
    redwood, old growth Sequoia sempervirens 2.1 480
    redwood, second growth Sequoia sempervirens 1.9 420
    robe Tabebul spp., roble group 4.3 960
    rosewood, Brazilian Dalbergia nigra 12.1 2720
    rosewood, Indian Dalbergia latifolia 14.1 3170
    sajo Campnosperma panamensis 425
    sande Brosimum spp., utile group 4.0 900
    santa maria Calophyllum brasiliense 5.1 1150
    sapele Entandrophragma cylindricum 6.7 1510
    sassafras Sassafras albidum 2.8 630
    sepetir Pseudosindora palustris 6.3 1410
    serviceberry Amelanchier spp. 8.0 1800
    shorea Shorea spp., baulau group 7.9 1780
    (shorea) dark red meranti Shorea spp., lauan-meranti group 3.5 780
    (shorea) light red meranti Shorea spp., lauan-meranti group 2.0 460
    (shorea) white meranti Shorea spp., lauan-meranti group 5.1
    (@15%) 1140
    (shorea) yellow meranti Shorea spp., lauan-meranti group 3.4 770
    silverbell, Carolina Halesia carolina 2.6 590
    sourwood Oxydendrum arboreum 4.2 940
    Spanish-cedar Cedrela spp. 2.7 600
    spruce, black Picea mariana 2.3 520
    spruce, Engelmann Picea engelmanni 1.7 390
    spruce, red Picea rubra 2.2 490
    spruce, Sitka Picea sitchensis 2.3 510
    spruce, white Picea glauca 2.1 480
    sucupira Bowdichia spp.
    sucupira Diplotropis purpurea 9.5 2140
    sumac, staghorn Rhus typhina 3.0 680
    sweetgum Liquidambar styraciflua 3.8 850
    sycamore, american Platanus occidentalis 3.4 770
    tamarack Larix laricina 2.6 590
    tanoak Lithocarpus densiflorus
    teak Tectona grandis 4.4 1000
    tornillo Cedrelinga cateniformis 870
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    walnut, black Juglans nigra 4.5 1010
    white-cedar, northern Thuja occidentalis 1.4 320
    willow, black Salix nigra
    witch hazel Hamamelis virginica 6.8 1530
    yellow poplar Liriodendron tulipifera 2.4 540
    yew. Pacific Taxus brevifolia 7.1 1600
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    Hardest species I run into are those with enbedded nails or porcelain insulators. Ron
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