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  1. 11-21-2010, 05:07 PM #1
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    High Speed Jet (Fixed Jet)

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    A few weeks back there was a discussion about the high speed jet, called the fixed jet in a Stihl IPL, and its role in tuning the carburetor.

    A little research shows that the US bound MS660s are equipped with a Walbro WJ-69 carb. The IPLs that I have show a .64 jet as standard, with a .62 jet optional for high altitude operation. After porting my 660 I found that the H needle needed to be 1.25 turns out to get the saw to four-stroke. I figured a new jet was needed. I ordered the 1122 121 5607 .74 fixed jet from the dealer. This jet is found in the WJ-76 carbs found on saws not headed for North America.

    When I disassemled the carb I found a somewhat unpleasant surprise. The saw had been shipped with a .62 jet. EPA strikes again.

    I thought I would share a quick how-to for replacing this jet.


    1. Remove the carb and orient the top toward you.

    top


    2. Remove the top cover. This will expose the fixed jet. It is the slotted brass part below the lever.

    62


    3. Remove the fixed jet. Be sure to use the correct size screwdriver as brass is soft and unforgiving.

    driver

    4. This is the new jet to install. The jet number is stamped on top.

    new



    5. The new jet in place. Reassemble the saw then tune as usual.

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    After the .74 jet was installed my 660 now four-strokes with the H needle 7/8 of a turn out. That is how it should be.


    Thanks for looking!


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  2. 11-21-2010, 05:12 PM #2
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    What difference does it make if it's at 7/8 or 1 1/4 turns out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blsnelling View Post
    What difference does it make if it's at 7/8 or 1 1/4 turns out?
    You were part of that discussion Brad, do you not remember?


    It puts the needle in a position relative to the seat that allows the needle to have a proportional effect on the mixture. As the needle moves farther away from the seat a non-linear change in the mixture is a result. That is why the non-EPA saws have the .74 jet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzed250 View Post
    You were part of that discussion Brad, do you not remember?


    It puts the needle in a position relative to the seat that allows the needle to have a proportional effect on the mixture. As the needle moves farther away from the seat a non-linear change in the mixture is a result. That is why the non-EPA saws have the .74 jet.


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    Now we have the reason with the pics BTW, how did you get such clear macro pictures?
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  5. 11-21-2010, 05:32 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by blsnelling View Post
    Now we have the reason with the pics BTW, how did you get such clear macro pictures?
    The pics were made using my D2Xs and 50/1.8 with a Canon 6T close-up lens.
    On camera flash bounced off of the ceiling. Thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzed250 View Post
    You were part of that discussion Brad, do you not remember?


    It puts the needle in a position relative to the seat that allows the needle to have a proportional effect on the mixture. As the needle moves farther away from the seat a non-linear change in the mixture is a result. That is why the non-EPA saws have the .74 jet.


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    I'm not sure what all you just said but it sounded good anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzed250 View Post
    You were part of that discussion Brad, do you not remember?


    It puts the needle in a position relative to the seat that allows the needle to have a proportional effect on the mixture. As the needle moves farther away from the seat a non-linear change in the mixture is a result. That is why the non-EPA saws have the .74 jet.


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    It actually makes perfect sense as the taper in the seat gets larger. Thanks for the info.
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    Nice info.
    Thanks.



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    How much does the jet cost you? I would'nt think too much. I'm wanting to open mine up now to see which mine has, .64 or.62.

    Can you feel any gain in power, just from changing that jet?
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    Heck I was on here for less then a month before I shelled out almost $1000.00 for a new MS460 that I really did not need just so my buddy would have a saw to port and enter in his build off. Imagine trying to explain that one to the wife!!
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    your saws look challenged enough. it looks to me to be more suited to cutting a loaf of bread.





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    Dang, got me wanting to check mine too.

    thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_Va. View Post
    How much does the jet cost you? I would'nt think too much. I'm wanting to open mine up now to see which mine has, .64 or.62.

    Can you feel any gain in power, just from changing that jet?

    The jet was $5.99.

    No power gains. The correct mixture is still the same, it is just delivered with the needle in a different spot. The carbs are engineered to work with the needle @ ~1 turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzed250 View Post
    3. Remove the fixed jet. Be sure to use the correct size screwdriver as brass is soft and unforgiving.
    Nice pic and description.

    Probably old news to most, but having a set of gunsmith screwdrivers really makes carb work easy.

    Here's the one I have.

    Actually it's 2. I lent my set to a buddy and he broke some of the bits, so now I have spares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzed250 View Post
    The jet was $5.99.

    No power gains. The correct mixture is still the same, it is just delivered with the needle in a different spot. The carbs are engineered to work with the needle @ ~1 turn.

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    So the real gain is "tunability", right? Thats enough for me to want one too.
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    Heck I was on here for less then a month before I shelled out almost $1000.00 for a new MS460 that I really did not need just so my buddy would have a saw to port and enter in his build off. Imagine trying to explain that one to the wife!!
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    your saws look challenged enough. it looks to me to be more suited to cutting a loaf of bread.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_Va. View Post
    So the real gain is "tunability", right? Thats enough for me to want one too.
    Yep. I just went thru this a few weeks ago on an 044 project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_Va. View Post
    So the real gain is "tunability", right? Thats enough for me to want one too.
    Exactly, just remember, you can tune a saw...but you can't tune a fish!


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