Thread: Anyone wear out an engine using particular oil at recommended oil ratio?

The point is, what's your point? Do you want us all to tell you what oil / ratio we were running when our saws crapped out on us? My old Husky 50 Special has been run on Silkolene Pro 2, Golden Spectro, Amsoil, Husqvarna oil and even Stihl oil when I've run out of gas while cutting firewood and had to bum some gas off one of my buddies and I've never had a problem out of it in nearly 20 years.

What everyone is trying to tell you is to just use a high quality oil mixed at the same ratio every time - with your carb adjusted accordingly and you won't have any oil related problems. One brand or another is not more or less likely to cause your saw to fail prematurely. And like others have said there's more to your saw living a long life than just the oil - pick a good brand of oil - keep you carb adjusted properly - keep your air filter clean - keep your chains sharp - keep the crap cleaned out of your saw - don't run old stale gas, etc...

Originally Posted by Lakeside53

well.. according to him, it was right after he listened to my advise. Guess it's my fault.

Keep laughing you want to be a smart allic go ahead. YES I DO 44:1. YES I MEASURE IT ALSO. All it takes is get a 32oz bottle, fill with gas, use a tall, 1oz bottle, measure the amount of 32/44 and mark the bottle. This will be a lot more accurate than a lot of other people mixes. Then just add it in. This is grade school stuff, you really think it is impossible to do 44:1? ?????YES I DO THING PRECISE. YES I DID LISTEN TO YOU BUT I DON'T TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE. YOU REPAIR LAWN EQUIPMENT ONLY, YOU DON'T DESIGN EQUIPMENT. I don't ask my technician how to design the circuit, I have them fix it after it's burn!!!

I work with a lot of PHDs, I publish papers in scientific journal and I own patterns. I've seen a lot of people like you. The kind that know some and think they know it all, the kind that easily think other's are dumb. If I need to see more of your kind, I'll go the a bar, there are all the all knowing.

When I don't agree, I don't come right out and disagree, that will be rude, just ask politely in another way to stay on people's good side if possible. I GUESS YOU HAVE NO GOOD SIDE. I am sure you know enough about small engine. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT SMALL ENGINE. IT IS ONLY A SMALL ENGINE!!! DON'T HAVE TO BE TOO SMUG ABOUT IT.

I actually go on the RC forum more to talk now a days. People there are a lot more educated on engines. They don't fix engines, They hot rod engines. They modify engine to the Nth degree. They mechine the engine, re-rout oil path, modify piston......know so much more. If you just stop laughing long enough and get on one of those forum, you might just learn something.

To others:
I really mean well, I took a lot of laugh to learn here, it take me a while to find my way to get information. I really don't like to see newbes go through all this to get the answer, there are a lot of things to learn and it is good to ask, I think we should encourage this. It is all nice and fun. There are no stupid question.

Originally Posted by yungman

Keep laughing you want to be a smart allic go ahead. YES I DO 44:1. YES I MEASURE IT ALSO. YES I DID LISTEN TO YOU BUT I DON'T TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE. YOU REPAIR LAWN EQUIPMENT ONLY, YOU DON'T DESIGN EQUIPMENT. I don't ask my technician how to design the circuit, I have them fix it after it's burn!!!

I work with a lot of PHDs and I seen a lot of people like you. The kind that know some and think they know it all, the kind that easily think other's are dumb. If I need to see more of your kind, I'll go the a bar, there are all the all knowing.

When I don't agree, I don't come right out and disagree, that will be rude, just ask politely in another way to stay on people's good side if possible. I GUESS YOU HAVE NO GOOD SIDE. I am sure you know enough about small engine. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT SMALL ENGINE. IT IS ONLY A SMALL ENGINE!!! DON'T HAVE TO BE TOO SMUG ABOUT IT.

I actually go on the RC forum more to talk now a days. People there are a lot more educated on engines. They don't fix engines, They hot rod engines. They modify engine to the Nth degree. They mechine the engine, re-rout oil path, modify piston......know so much more. If you just stop laughing long enough and get on one of those forum, you might just learn something.

To others:
I really mean well, I took a lot of laugh to learn here, it take me a while to find my way to get information. I really don't like to see newbes go through all this to get the answer, there are a lot of things to learn and it is good to ask, I think we should encourage this. It is all nice and fun. There are no stupid question.

Yungman, most of what has been directed at you was actually done in good natured jest. I would suggest that you try and wear a little thicker coat of skin in the future. It is as false as it is arrogance for you to believe that you have a monopoly on intelligence. In truth, you have undeniably beat this topic to death! It sounds as though you've obtained the answer you were seeking. It is equally apparent that the overwhelming number of participants in your threads have tired in providing you repeated answers to similar or repeated questions. No one is obligated to participate in your threads...and no one is obligated to participate in this forum...but we all do.

As I understand it, your quest and supposition is to assert the finding that a quality oil of whatever make or manufacturer will suffice for all people who use 2-cycle engine equipment. Therefore, you simply wish to highlight and identify any sub-par oil to be avoided so that it may be posted and referenced for future site use by all members, new and old? May I suggest that you start one last new thread on this topic, which outlines your suppositions; perhaps titled: Yungman's Complete Guide to 2-Cycle Oil? You can post your opinions (that's all you have) and people can read it if they so choose and the burden of having to endure your insults regarding our intelligence can be disregarded; as I'm sure your opinion will be by many from this point forward.

You may indeed be an "intelligent" man...you certainly don't sound like it at this point. If you are intelligent? Please try and demonstrate it in the future along with a degree of common sense. I would appreciate it, as I'm sure many others would as well. I for one, have learned to value Lake's good advice and input. I certainly cannot make the same claim for you. It's a terrible shame to walk away from an exchange of ideas and be regarded as a fool...in this capacity, you have thus far succeded admirably.

OLY-JIM

Yungman

In my many years of running chain saws and other 2 stroke engines I have never heard of any bad 2 stroke oil like you are asking. I guess you could say that one is like the other.

The only bad thing I personally observed with a group of chain saws was the oilers failing becouse of contaminated oil.

I understand that you are looking for a bad oil rating. Looking for an answer like "I ran 'XYZ oil' at 50-1 for 10 tanks and my new saw failed'.

The only engine oil I kow of that had a bad reputation was Mobil I with graphite. And that was a long time ago. As I recall, the graphite balled up and plugged the oil passages, or something like that. Aircraft engines failed and planes went down. Not good... They did fix it right away, but reputation was done.

I have never heard of a mix oil being related to a on going failure.

Dave

Originally Posted by yungman

I work with a lot of PHDs, I publish papers in scientific journal and I own patterns. I've seen a lot of people like you. The kind that know some and think they know it all, the kind that easily think other's are dumb. If I need to see more of your kind, I'll go the a bar, there are all the all knowing.

I guess that sums it all up.

Originally Posted by yungman

I actually go on the RC forum more to talk now a days. People there are a lot more educated on engines. They don't fix engines, They hot rod engines. They modify engine to the Nth degree. They mechine the engine, re-rout oil path, modify piston......know so much more. If you just stop laughing long enough and get on one of those forum, you might just learn something.

Yep nobody on AS ever does any of this stuff. You're are definitely better off on the RC forums!

Originally Posted by yungman

IF YOU DESIDED THAT I AM WAISTING YOUR TIME AND I AM STILL ASKING THE SAME QUESTION, DON'T ANSWER AND KEEP YOUR SMART, ALL KNOWING ATTITUDE.

Someone hasn't had their nap.

Originally Posted by Lakeside53

44:1 ??? lolol - that cracks me up.

Next you'll be poking fun at my 42.76:1!

Well it works for me and I think it's worth rinsing the bottle with gas to get that last .16.

Yes this is another 2 stroke oil thread and yes all the questions have been plodded through before. How many times can you say 40 to 1 is better than 50 to 1 is better than 32 to 1 is better than 100 to 1 is better than 44.76 to 1. Man I have been running 2 strokes for more than 25 years and used many different brands of oils, even the cheap home depot synthetic and have never repeat never had one engine failure of any kind due to bad oil or lack of lubrication. Besides what major manufacturer of 2 stoke oil is not going to test and retest an oil their are putting their name on. I agree with all the other guys on here.
Put it in and run it. If it's mixed right forget about it.
my .01 cent.

Originally Posted by yungman

In fact you convince me about not using too much oil on C4 engine because the valve are more sensitive to deposit and I cut down to 44:1 or so. I choose my own oil already, I am using Echo oil. I have no question of my own. I LISTEN TO FACTS, NOT OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEVE!!

Hmmm, you are cutting down to 44:1 from your previous 32:1, because of the valves being sensitive to deposit, right? Since you listen to facts, the fact is that the C4 is recommend by the manufactor to run at 50:1. Why not run it at this to even further cut down on these deposits? Oh, you got another post on this thread saying something about Lakeside "just" being a repair person and not a engineer, as I believe that you said are, so he isnt all knowing when it would come to something like what mix to use. (thats what i concluded anyway). So then, why dont you listen to those mighty C4 engineers and do what they say you should and run it at 50:1?

Originally Posted by OLY-JIM

Yungman, most of what has been directed at you was actually done in good natured jest. I would suggest that you try and wear a little thicker coat of skin in the future. It is as false as it is arrogance for you to believe that you have a monopoly on intelligence. In truth, you have undeniably beat this topic to death! It sounds as though you've obtained the answer you were seeking. It is equally apparent that the overwhelming number of participants in your threads have tired in providing you repeated answers to similar or repeated questions. No one is obligated to participate in your threads...and no one is obligated to participate in this forum...but we all do.

As I understand it, your quest and supposition is to assert the finding that a quality oil of whatever make or manufacturer will suffice for all people who use 2-cycle engine equipment. Therefore, you simply wish to highlight and identify any sub-par oil to be avoided so that it may be posted and referenced for future site use by all members, new and old? May I suggest that you start one last new thread on this topic, which outlines your suppositions; perhaps titled: Yungman's Complete Guide to 2-Cycle Oil? You can post your opinions (that's all you have) and people can read it if they so choose and the burden of having to endure your insults regarding our intelligence can be disregarded; as I'm sure your opinion will be by many from this point forward.

You may indeed be an "intelligent" man...you certainly don't sound like it at this point. If you are intelligent? Please try and demonstrate it in the future along with a degree of common sense. I would appreciate it, as I'm sure many others would as well. I for one, have learned to value Lake's good advice and input. I certainly cannot make the same claim for you. It's a terrible shame to walk away from an exchange of ideas and be regarded as a fool...in this capacity, you have thus far succeded admirably.

OLY-JIM

I agree, most of the people here are nice and helpful. I appreciate that. Please don't read my reply to Lakeside 53 as a reply to everybody else. If anyone feel this way, please accept my appology.

All the comments are for Lakeside 53 only. I did mension time and time, I did listen to some of his advice. BUT is does not give him the right to be insulting. He call my name out!!! Saying that people get suck into another one of my oil thread. There are 3 or 4 people here that are very sarcastic. Always be the first to poke fun on other people's expense. When I was asking all the oil question, I did recieve messages from some members privately to express their opinion. People are being bulley into not saying things openly in the forum, that is not right. The forum is for the thousands of the rest of the member like you and me, not just for the few very active people that try to dominate with there attitude. I do not confront people, I just don't join in their stuff. I just read and reply and ignor all the comments. BUT calling out my name!!!!! I am not trying to prove my intelligence, this is called trading insult!!!! People willing to dish out better be willing to take it. It is a two way street.

Intelligent??? After all these years working, I few I know so little, I spent the last seven years studying 20 hours week to better my knowledge, taking classes. Try to compete with the young kids in college, the only intelligence I feel of myself is THE LACK OF IT!!!!!!

I am not trying to make a guide of oil mix!!! I believe most oil works from all the posts but I don't know enough to say that. My reason of putting this is to let people that ran into problems present the facts so all of us learn. I really don't have a strong position. If anyone think that I am making an editorial out of this, I don't think I can convince them otherwise anymore. This is an oil post, it's is not about me. Let's just end it at that.

Again, if I offended anyone else, sorry, I don't mean to. The forum is suppost to be fun.

Sincerely

Originally Posted by greengoblin

Hmmm, you are cutting down to 44:1 from your previous 32:1, because of the valves being sensitive to deposit, right? Since you listen to facts, the fact is that the C4 is recommend by the manufactor to run at 50:1. Why not run it at this to even further cut down on these deposits? Oh, you got another post on this thread saying something about Lakeside "just" being a repair person and not a engineer, as I believe that you said are, so he isnt all knowing when it would come to something like what mix to use. (thats what i concluded anyway). So then, why dont you listen to those mighty C4 engineers and do what they say you should and run it at 50:1?

I am too old, too stupid and too stubborn!!!! But I do monitor the ports and willing to change if need to.

Youngman, your name suits you. You seem to be contentious or maybe your just sitting back laughing. Or, maybe you don't have the capacity to understand my point. Lakeside forgot more about this stuff then you will ever know! I'm having a hard time writing this because I don't want to upset you .......ok, enough J/K (to a point)

About your question: a lot of people on here are professionals who use their saws day in and day out. If they (the majority) are saying they use 50:1 of x-brand then you can be rest assured it would be fine for your equipment. Because the amount of run time your saw will see is only a fraction of their's.

Has anyone used an oil that made their saw fail prematurely, that was your question in a nutshell. There is so many variables for someone to pinpoint/isolate that a specific oil was the demise of their saw. It really is a vague question! All I know is that you have a list of oils and ratios that are proven to work well and last a long time.

Furthermore, the people I've spoke with on this forum have helped me out 10 fold, saved me time & money. Don't get your panties in a bunch when guys are guys. Keep it fun...good luck man.

Kevin

Originally Posted by yungman

IAll the comments are for Lakeside 53 only. I did mension time and time, I did listen to some of his advice. BUT is does not give him the right to be insulting. He call my name out!!! Saying that people get suck into another one of my oil thread. There are 3 or 4 people here that are very sarcastic.

I think your complaint bears looking into. If Lakeside53 is found guilty as charged, rest assured he will get the spanking he deserves.

Originally Posted by TreeCo

I think your complaint bears looking into. If Lakeside53 is found guilty as charged, rest assured he will get the spanking he deserves.

Thats ok, we have our exchange, we're all big boys, we'll live!!! He said his piece, I said mine.....lets move on. No harm no foul. I know I'll get a lot of flags from this. I'll live too.


My point exactly from all the response of all the professionals in the field. There is no best oil!!!! If I just say this on the forum, it will be just another opinion. I am hoping with this thread, when people read this, they can see all the professionals say the same thing, maybe they'll be more convinced. I am not a professional in lawncare, I don't know much. I think letting the professional confirm this will be helpful to others that have the same question.

To the person that say Lakeside 53 forget more about lawn equipments than I know....I AGREE WHOLE HEARTLY......I am new in this, I don't know much. This is not yelling, I really really meant that. I never start a fight, I always try to be polite. I always acknowledge when people give me advice. But I do defend myself. I feel very strongly that this being a public forum, people should have the right to ask question and be ok with it....Even it is a stupid question or repeat question.

The only thing I am guilty of here is to try to help when I see another post of oil question here. I thought I ask what oil is bad so professionals can come in and share their experience instead of which oil is best so people can draw conclusion. May be there is a bad oil!!!! It will be nice to know also. I guess it backfired. I guess once I have a label on me, there is nothing I can do to change that. There is no glory for me here even people agree with me!!!!! Just a thread, what is the big deal. Everyone know I don't know much on this subject. People think I am a fool anyway.

I find this forum interesting, I am going to keep coming back.

Originally Posted by yungman

I thought people like oil threads!!!!! How come nobody response here?? Nobody wear out eingine due to oil or mix??
(...) After reading hundreds of these posts, that the conclusion I can come up!!!!

This pretty much sums it up. Yungman has already read hundreds of oil threads on here, yet he posts more to get a "response." Lakeside's comment was dead on, and yungman is just looking for attention.