it was one of the baumar ag saws 62cc it had done about 6 to 8 hrs work i think, paid $125 for it spent about 5hrs fixing all the problems it had and i noticed quiet a bit of red dust around the crank and in the case so i guess it was only a matter of time before it fell apart. and all the screws holding it together were finger tight at best. and best of all it aint my saw, so now i can start my stihls (genuine ones) and rub it right in that you pay for what get. and i see what you mean about the stihl clones, 361, 381,250 all said to be genuine. be glad when someone with plenty of cash and a good legal team can get fleabay in court and do them proper good.