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  1. 12-07-2010, 06:30 PM #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by lego1970 View Post
    Here is my expenses per month. I'm not saying your wrong or right but just to break it down. Keep in mind, my p/u truck is paid off, my house is a clean and comfy but very small two bedroom house. No cable, no gas bill. My phone and internet is high but that's because I mostly truck and therefore need unlimitted services. Electric is monthly average for the year. Health insurance is a very crappy with extremely high deductible. Child support is $434, but then she pays health and dental insurance which is about $200, so again if I didn't have to pay child support but had to pay health insurance that would only save me $234 per month. A lot of expenses, I've forgot or didn't include.

    Mortgage, w/property tax and insurance, $696
    Child Support $434
    Health Insurance $189
    Phone and internet $169
    Electric $150
    Water $35
    p/u truck insurance $63
    Food $280
    Gas $400
    Son's lunch money $50
    Son's clothes, toys, misc school activities, $100
    My clothes, gloves, boots, t-shirts $30

    Total, $2596.00

    $15 per hour at an average of 40 hours per week without even paying taxes
    $2400.00


    Ok, sorry I'm rambling now.
    Not rambling at all-this is very well put together budget, and reflect exactly how $15 an hour goes in today's economic reality which especially if you live alone is not far! You are lucky you live in an area where housing is so inexpensive. And your vehicle insurance is dirt cheap, prolly because you do not live in a high crime city, and are a responsible driver. I see no money there whatsoever for recreation, alcohol (not that one has to drink but a few beers a week is a nice treat), your food bills are rock bottom, and as you said you don't have cable.
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  2. 12-07-2010, 06:38 PM #47
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  3. 12-07-2010, 06:48 PM #48
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    I have always belived that the obvious evolution with the younger generations is attributed to a parent's philosophy which is that the parent's objective is to make life better, easier, and richer for the kids than the parents had it. Plus if you smoked what the younger generations are smoking you would not be so apt to break a sweat working either.
    Its all evolution. I have been fighting it for awhile myself but have always known it to be enevitable. Its a shame the Mexicans are so cheaply handy cause if they weren't maybe guys like you and me could argue for a better wage but speaking of evolution and Mexicans; I guess its been since the dawn of reason when one group of men decided to enslave another cause the one group really wasn't that interested in doing any actuall work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
    I have always belived that the obvious evolution with the younger generations is attributed to a parent's philosophy which is that the parent's objective is to make life better, easier, and richer for the kids than the parents had it. Plus if you smoked what the younger generations are smoking you would not be so apt to break a sweat working either.
    Its all evolution. I have been fighting it for awhile myself but have always known it to be enevitable. Its a shame the Mexicans are so cheaply handy cause if they weren't maybe guys like you and me could argue for a better wage but speaking of evolution and Mexicans; I guess its been since the dawn of reason when one group of men decided to enslave another cause the one group really wasn't that interested in doing any actuall work.
    I know there is a message in there somewhere, Dan!!
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  5. 12-07-2010, 07:49 PM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by jefflovstrom View Post
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    Your point is??
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  6. 12-07-2010, 10:25 PM #51
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    If you guys are all making #### for money why not go back to school. Get a job you can be good at. No body should be eating bark in this business. The guy who is paying you is ripping you off plain and simple. He makes 1200 a day and you make 100 a day. And you know how to do it so who is to blame for the crappy money? You. Take some initiative be your own boss blow these clowns off and do it on your own!
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    I got a great idea!!!!! lets just start all groundsmen at 15 hour and move em up to 17 in a few months and then aftera few years make it 22 an hour!!! And then lets invest in some nice freakn chairs to put in the shop CUZ EVERBODYS GONNA BE SITTIN THERE and not workin cuz I KNOW I won't get anyjobs that still make em worth doin. The HO in this area aren't gonna pay much more than they are now . They just wont trim the trees. PERIOD , just that simple.
    115. My only guarantee is that you will still go away confused,
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  8. 12-09-2010, 12:19 PM #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerTree View Post
    If you guys are all making #### for money why not go back to school. Get a job you can be good at. No body should be eating bark in this business. The guy who is paying you is ripping you off plain and simple. He makes 1200 a day and you make 100 a day. And you know how to do it so who is to blame for the crappy money? You. Take some initiative be your own boss blow these clowns off and do it on your own!
    If i had the money to start my own i would. I mean i got a pick up climbing gear and a chainsaw or 2 thats all it takes right?
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  9. 12-11-2010, 12:24 AM #54
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    Sorta, You need at the very least,
    Comfy climbing boots VIBERG Lineman great boot!
    Weaver double D harness (not light but durable and cheapish)
    200' 3/4" bull rope ( for yanking with the truckypoo )
    2- 1/2" good quality kern mantle climbing ropes
    1- 1/2" sturdy utility rope
    100' 1" tubular webbing ( cut into random lenghts for slings ) use tape knot!
    6 GOOD locking Caribiners ( screw lock easy w/ one hand )
    2 -Rescue 8 Devices (Awesome learn how to use one properly) one for rappelling and one for load lowering ground guy.
    10- sport beeners for rock climbing ( use w/ slings) no people below load!!! as no locking feature they are quicker, get bent gates wider opening
    Leg irons ( they all suck to wear so get whatever)
    Hardhat w/ screw lock and chin strap, Visor or safety glasses
    Cutting pants/chaps
    Knot book ( If you don't know Knots tie LOTS )!
    Underwear ( clean, you will need space for the s..t you scare out of ya!
    Some balls ( A decent pair of good sized balls really helps )
    a shirt ( no time for impressing the ladies when you poop your pants )
    An insurance policy ( you need something to wipe the poop of with )
    A vehicle too stretch that fine 3/4" rope with, do not attempt to stretch the 1/2" rope w/ a 1ton truck they are simply not designed for that application I will kill you myself if I catch you! Remember 1/2' service lines MAY be used for repelling- do not over yank the 1/2 inch rope do I make myself clear on that? Clients ( all this is pointless with no clients )
    Barenecks Tree book if you don't know #### about tree work

    Well it's a short list but I figure you could make a living with just that crap. You can fit comfortably in your grannies Ford Fiesta and yer of to the rodeo!
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  10. 12-11-2010, 03:49 AM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerTree View Post
    Sorta, You need at the very least,
    Comfy climbing boots VIBERG Lineman great boot!
    Weaver double D harness (not light but durable and cheapish)
    200' 3/4" bull rope ( for yanking with the truckypoo )
    2- 1/2" good quality kern mantle climbing ropes
    1- 1/2" sturdy utility rope
    100' 1" tubular webbing ( cut into random lenghts for slings ) use tape knot!
    6 GOOD locking Caribiners ( screw lock easy w/ one hand )
    2 -Rescue 8 Devices (Awesome learn how to use one properly) one for rappelling and one for load lowering ground guy.
    10- sport beeners for rock climbing ( use w/ slings) no people below load!!! as no locking feature they are quicker, get bent gates wider opening
    Leg irons ( they all suck to wear so get whatever)
    Hardhat w/ screw lock and chin strap, Visor or safety glasses
    Cutting pants/chaps
    Knot book ( If you don't know Knots tie LOTS )!
    Underwear ( clean, you will need space for the s..t you scare out of ya!
    Some balls ( A decent pair of good sized balls really helps )
    a shirt ( no time for impressing the ladies when you poop your pants )
    An insurance policy ( you need something to wipe the poop of with )
    A vehicle too stretch that fine 3/4" rope with, do not attempt to stretch the 1/2" rope w/ a 1ton truck they are simply not designed for that application I will kill you myself if I catch you! Remember 1/2' service lines MAY be used for repelling- do not over yank the 1/2 inch rope do I make myself clear on that? Clients ( all this is pointless with no clients )
    Barenecks Tree book if you don't know #### about tree work

    Well it's a short list but I figure you could make a living with just that crap. You can fit comfortably in your grannies Ford Fiesta and yer of to the rodeo!
    Dont laugh! All of its paid for, and some of its still kinda new. (cept for the 372's in the box, there still extremely new.)
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  11. 12-11-2010, 05:39 AM #56
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    LMFAO ....better just buy the whole 600ft spool of 3/4 .
    115. My only guarantee is that you will still go away confused,
    but at a much higher level.

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  12. 12-11-2010, 05:50 AM #57
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    I hired a 19 year old back in October. Was very pleasantly surprised at his work ethic and his intelligence. He works his butt off. I had to get on his ass about that cell phone a time or two but we have come to an understanding about that.

    Very surprising to me, most young guys I have hired aren't worth a crap. Work just is not a priority to most of them.

    I had another 19 year old a few years back who I had learning to climb. He worked OK but couldn't keep himself out of trouble.
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  13. 12-11-2010, 06:18 AM #58
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    Don't even get me goin on those cell phones!!! I let a guy go over the summer for texting to much ...just couldn't stay off that phone . Always worried what his girl was doin I think .
    115. My only guarantee is that you will still go away confused,
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    You got it. He is dating a little hottie, or was, they broke up a week or two ago. He can't stand to not know what's going on with her every moment and was constantly trying to call and text her. I had to lay the law down about the phone. I don't chit chat with girls on my cell phone at work and will not tolerate it out of my workers. When I get a call from a girlfriend I ask them what do you want, I'm working.
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    i text at work if were slow, but other then that, im workin my butt off, but guys getting the same pay or close to it w/ alot less know how are just messin around or sittin around waitin for me to do the work.
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