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  1. 06-25-2012, 07:45 AM #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqdl View Post
    I think that is all pretty much true, particularly the last sentence. That said, not everyone is in your market, and some business models simply don't support having qualified, loyal staff. Sometimes the market simply does not pay enough to compete with better jobs, so the better employees flow towards the better jobs.

    In my urban market, good employees with a good work ethic that are willing to sweat in the sun, get dirty, and finish profitably are hard to find. Once they get trained how to do the work, they buy a truck and compete with me. This creates a market where I and all my licensed, insured, "sign on the truck" competitors must bid against the better workers we trained to do the business.

    It's a dog-eat dog market in my area, and you must treat lower quality workers with quite a bit more supervision. Sometimes this means "micromanaging".
    This is all true. When Jeff put up this thread I was expecting real horror stories.

    I would not have written the guy up for losing the hitch pin, I would have written him up for saying," I don't know."
    From what Jeff is saying there seems to be some passive agressive stuff going on.
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  2. 06-25-2012, 08:10 AM #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreeAce View Post
    This guy you speak of reminds me....of me. Some years ago. Then I quit drinking and was on time/early ever since. Even started my own lil biz. My point is...late guys CAN change. Though it may be a little rare.
    when I was younger I worked for a retired coast guard capt. Doing trees landscape and land clearing , he was a complete and total ####...... But he knew that having a younger group of guys working for hime I mean there were 60 some guys 30 of us were under 25 , we would go to the shore 3 nights a week and he allowed us to crash in the shop so when we wpuld come back at night around 3am we would go straight to work and sleep wherever you passed out , and if you could hang hungover he was fine with it but if you #####ed and moaned or drug ass he would be on ya like a real monster... There was no write ups there was just long hot days and a lot of neck breathing as a punishment and we loved it , it was a ssweet compromise ...
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  3. 06-25-2012, 09:17 AM #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
    This is all true. When Jeff put up this thread I was expecting real horror stories.

    I would not have written the guy up for losing the hitch pin, I would have written him up for saying," I don't know."
    From what Jeff is saying there seems to be some passive agressive stuff going on.
    You see passive aggressive in Jeffs posts but not yours?

    Really?
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  4. 06-25-2012, 10:11 AM #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
    This is all true. When Jeff put up this thread I was expecting real horror stories.

    I would not have written the guy up for losing the hitch pin, I would have written him up for saying," I don't know."
    From what Jeff is saying there seems to be some passive agressive stuff going on.
    I bet the hitch pin guy was baked when he lost that pin! Definitely sounds like there was some short term memory loss at play there. Maybe jeff should bust out the pee cup on him!!
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  5. 06-25-2012, 11:16 AM #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by capetrees View Post
    You see passive aggressive in Jeffs posts but not yours?

    Really?
    I meant with the guys he is writing up.
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    I think the moral of this thread is the day anyone goes in to ask for a raise don't forget the box of parts ya bought so when he pulls your file and starts rhyming off all the parts ya have lost or broke you can just dump the box of tailights, breakaway leashe,s hitchpins and torn out light plugs and say now whatja got for me LOL
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  7. 06-25-2012, 12:18 PM #82
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    This thread reminds me of why I work for myself, more than anything.

    I keep an extra hitch pin stuck on the sun visor of the chip truck.. just in case I get baked and lose it! lol. (just kidding)
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  8. 06-25-2012, 01:03 PM #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by capetrees View Post
    You see passive aggressive in Jeffs posts but not yours?

    Really?
    Nah, no passive aggressive on my part.
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  9. 06-25-2012, 03:46 PM #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
    Sorry Jeff, I was just dimayed with all yer years to see you griping about hitch pins. You got to have better stories than that.
    No biggie, not really griping as much as talking about the small stuff that we don't post much and also the dumb stuff some of today's youth do.
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    u guys r a pisser...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jefflovstrom View Post
    No biggie, not really griping as much as talking about the small stuff that we don't post much and also the dumb stuff some of today's youth do.
    Jeff
    Yeah well I guess at this point I'd rather hear the good stuff and getting tired of the stories of stupidity which I can't take anymore. I want you to go in tommorow and give everybody a hug and thank them just fer showing up, buy em some gatorade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
    Yeah well I guess at this point I'd rather hear the good stuff.
    Then start a thread, I did. Only mine ain't what you want it to be, oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree MDS View Post
    This thread reminds me of why I work for myself, more than anything.

    I keep an extra hitch pin stuck on the sun visor of the chip truck.. just in case I get baked and lose it! lol. (just kidding)
    I know... and you know that the only one who has any stock in your business is you, everybody else is just and only there for the ####ing paycheck... ain't no 401 you offer. One sucker out of a thousand is gonna put up. Welcome to the world.

    A guy in Jeff's position should be kissing the feet of the guys that show up. HITCH PINS FER EVERYBODY, just don't die or kill anyone on the job and everything should work itself out just fine.

    Why did the guy let your truck roll into the tree? Why did they run over the pole pruner? Be honest.

    How many guys believe there is actually something called a "climber/foreman? If you do, well, the jokes on you... rather the damage is. Any crew needs a specific supervisor to supervise. Ever watch a football game? Who is that guy on the sidelines calling plays and keeping a close eye on things? Oh, you say this ain't no football game? Yeah, I know, its worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
    I know... and you know that the only one who has any stock in your business is you, everybody else is just and only there for the ####ing paycheck... ain't no 401 you offer. One sucker out of a thousand is gonna put up. Welcome to the world.

    A guy in Jeff's position should be kissing the feet of the guys that show up. HITCH PINS FER EVERYBODY, just don't die or kill anyone on the job and everything should work itself out just fine.

    Why did the guy let your truck roll into the tree? Why did they run over the pole pruner? Be honest.

    How many guys believe there is actually something called a "climber/foreman? If you do, well, the jokes on you... rather the damage is. Any crew needs a specific supervisor to supervise. Ever watch a football game? Who is that guy on the sidelines calling plays and keeping a close eye on things? Oh, you say this ain't no football game? Yeah, I know, its worse.
    Ah, I see you are where you are better now.
    We live in different world's, get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treemandan View Post
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    How many guys believe there is actually something called a "climber/foreman? ...
    I do. When I go do a tree job, be it removal or trimming, I am the foreman.

    I inspect the truck, I check the equipment, I tell everybody what they are expected to do. That makes me a foreman. When I climb the tree, everybody knows what they should be doing. If they don't, I take the time to explain it in language they can understand. Oh! Did I say I was climbing the tree? I guess that makes me the climber too, doesn't it?

    You don't loose the ability to supervise just because you are hanging from a rope.
    I haven't lost the ability to climb a tree, either, just because I am supervising 3-4 guys.

    When I hire a climber/foreman, I only ask that he do the same things that I would do.

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