I climb in a New Tribe Onyx. I can be in it all day and it still is comfortable. Lots of places to hang gear. Plus it looks great. When I'm climbing with a flipline I use the rigging plates and it's so comfortable I don't know how guys can just use the waist belt Ds. I pretty much never use those. Onyx has no leg padding stock, but you can get some that attach with velcro. I haven't needed them. Waist padding is firm for my bony hips, but not a huge issue since most of the weight is borne by the legs. I got mine when Treestuff was having a sale on New Tribe. Pricey saddle but worth it in my opinion. Plus it's made in Oregon so you can get it repaired easily.