Scott; there are serious boot guys and not Serious boot guys. . I'm a Serious boot guy. Ive only made a bit over 1k climbing since I got this pair . But, my feet and knees arent hurting . And they worked great skinnin a cat before that . I didnt really consider climbing when I got them. And tho they wont last nearly as long as my Viberg's . They are worth what I paid for them . I think I have a bunch more climbing coming up so these will make me more money up the trees. Plus the old timer Overhead on the fire I was on were soewhat put at ease with a new dozer hand . That was familiar enough with the brush to be wearing Whites. . I didnt tell them that they were Loggers and not Smoke Jumpers .