Belray is junk! And even Mastermind, who is not an idiot admits he doesn't see the effects of it after the saws leave his place.
661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?
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FYI Just ran 4 tanks of Maxima K2 @32:1 through my 562 tonight. I noticed zero change in tune from Yamalube 2r.
If the Belray guy said that he is an idiot as well. And seriously doubt he's an engineer..more likely a kid staffing their tech line..
I'm out. This is going no where.
KenJax Tree
Terraphobic
KG441c
Keith
Yamalube 2R and K2 are totaly different in composition.
I have already posted pics of what H1R burns like and they were from 2014. And I don't work for any oil company.
You do a better job insulting yourself that I could ever do. Keep it up!
First of all, I never said your stuff was meaningless. Quite the opposite. I also never said your results were wrong. They are what they are. They provide some interesting insight that what we've taken to be fact, MIGHT not be the case. I said your assumptions and conclusions drawn from those results MAY be wrong, and therefore should not be made as statements of truth. You simply don't have near enough information, data, or knowledge to make those judgments.
Why am I not out testing oil? First of all, if I have time to spend on saws, I'm usually porting someone elses. I have little time for my own stuff. More importantly, I have a life outside of saws. Plus, it really doesn't make that much difference to me. I do this for fun, because I enjoy it. When it can't be fun, it's not worth doing. Pick a quality oil, run it at 32:1 or 40:1 and enjoy a good life. It's simply not worth it to me to stress over this. When I have time, I would like to do some extreme boundary protection testing. After all, that's the single most important aspect of any lubricant. Furthermore, no oil is going to kill the performance of a chainsaw, ported or stock.
KenJax Tree
Terraphobic
To 99% of the people this testing means nothing....pick an oil, pick a ratio, and cut wood. End of story.
CR500
Diesel, Snowmobile, & Chainsaw Technician
I JUST LIKE OIL lol..... Different brands are fun to test 32:1 for me lol
You guys get it. None of us will ever prove that any one oil or ratio is the best.
I HIGHLY suspect that single point of data.
Come on down
Seriously now, do you really believe that?
You really think 50:1 vs 32:1 is going to give you 1,500 more RPMs in the cut?
DexterDay
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huh? come on....
I said
redbull660 said: ↑
I still like that mastermind and others have had such good results with H1R...even at what seems to be too rich of a mixture for it (at least in stock saws) at 32:1... given the volume by oil make up of it - vs - oils with solvents.
then you said
blsnelling said: ↑
I think it's a mistake to make this assumption. Too rich for what? You're leaving protection totally out of the equation, which is the primary reason it was recommended.
I said the above about h1r and you said it's mistake to make assumption... ABOUT H1R lol
What if it looked like this Redbull?
This is what I seen? Brad would probably agree.
I said
redbull660 said: ↑
I still like that mastermind and others have had such good results with H1R...even at what seems to be too rich of a mixture for it (at least in stock saws) at 32:1... given the volume by oil make up of it - vs - oils with solvents.
then you said
blsnelling said: ↑
I think it's a mistake to make this assumption. Too rich for what? You're leaving protection totally out of the equation, which is the primary reason it was recommended.
I said the above about h1r and you said it's mistake to make assumption... ABOUT H1R lol
What if it looked like this Redbull?
This is what I seen? Brad would probably agree.
I'm going to start selling port jobs in a bottle, lol You send me your bottle of oil, I'll "modify" the contents of that bottle, then return it to the owner for a small fee, lol.
You send me your bottle of oil, I'll "modify" the contents of that bottle, then return it to the owner for a small fee, lol.
DexterDay
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That is a huge statement. .
I am pretty sure your azz will be handed to you.
Although I think your testing is fun, there are so many variables that you can't state the results as fact. The wood changes size with every cut (also knots, grain, etc ). Also, add in the fact that off the roll loops are not the same.. Some are very good... Some suck out of the box (I am talking RS that you used. There can be a difference loop to loop. Unless you spun them all from the same roll?)
l was out many pages ago due to one or two that have never had a foot up the a$$. But l keep dropping in to how many times ya's all been round the track. Its an endless journey the oil thread it just goes round and round but l must say its kinda dappa when the op posts Belray's side of the story and stuff. My saws parts and plastics wear out way faster than the engines. l have seen many stihl saws run on stihls cheapest orange bottle stuff and seen decades of service on farms. l can replace many of my saws within two years buy NOT running top dollar name brand ester base full synthetic oil. l think your better off finding a 'good' oil at a 'great' price, its actually easy. Full synthetic's biggest negative is price and you have to consider that in a commercial situation. There are plenty of fd rated semi synthetics out there at a fraction of the cost. You also need not worry about slow/poor ring seal during break in, rust, glazed piston's, loss of throttle response/power if one chooses a sensible 'semi synthetic' oil. Many semi synthetics are rated higher than their full synthetic cousins and give you kinda the best of 'both worlds'.
This is getting flat out ridiculous. How much temp difference have you measured? Without going back, wasn't it less than 100 or maybe even 50? And that's going to overheat my saw? Give me a break. If you think your thinner oil ratio is going to outperform a ported saw....well, that is flat out delusional! Now I'm starting to sound like bwalker. But this is mind blowing.
Why can't I walk away, lol?
