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Breaking in a new faller

Discussion in 'Forestry and Logging Forum' started by bitzer, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. RandyMac

    RandyMac Stiff Member

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    I have many fond memories of my early days, tumultuous as they were.
     
  2. ValleyFirewood

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    Much quicker by machine and safer. The insurance savings alone darn near makes the payments.

    No matter what you need a skidder or forwarder of some kind and a truck to haul the logs, so just adding a buncher and delimber, or harvester.

    I've done about 300 acres so far in going on 3 years without touching a chainsaw. Now keep in mind logging isn't my full time job, we might be out in the woods 5 days a month. The rest of the time I'm doing firewood.
     
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    Lots of the stuff here is done without a skidder or cat mainly shovel logging.

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    bitzer Bullshit Timber Expert

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    I pay about 1200 bucks a year for buisness insurance and work comp. I don't pay in to the work comp pool. There are enough trucks that hire out here that I don't need my own. I go through 50-60 gallons of diesel a week. I'm not tied to the equipment. I have the freedom of no payments. Like right now. I went to out the job, picked up the wood I cut yesterday and boogied out of there to get an early start on the festivities. Lots to work up and deal with five kids and our rigorous Christmas schedule.
     
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    bitzer Bullshit Timber Expert

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    I like the story about you starting the face cut as Red started the back cut.
     
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    Shovel loaders are $$$$$$. Like 200k used.
     
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    Most our stuff is paid for too, bought with cash or small loans.
    Just have a skid steer with payments. Darn thing is the most expensive costing piece of equipment too. was bought new.
     
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    Skeans Addicted to ArboristSite

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    But it only takes one machine for job, maybe out there they are but out here they are a dime a dozen.

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    I've never seen one in person. Only 5 or 6 commercial outfits in the area, and by area I mean about 1/2 the state.
    Fairbanks area has a few, and SE AK may as well be WA, I've never been.

    We are "big" with a buncher, delimber, 2 skidders, 2 dozers, excavator, 2 self loading log trucks.
    Had 2 buncher for a while but the Timbco needed about 20k worth of pump work.
     
  10. RandyMac

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    I showed up at my first falling gig with my Grandad's old Terrill CS-7, he had confiscated my new saw, saying it was bad luck starting a new job with a new saw.
    I wrestled with that old monster for two weeks before I stole my 050 back.
     
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    northmanlogging The gyppo's gyppo

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    Used vs new equipment...

    Loader 40k used 350k or more new

    Skidder 10-30k used 80-200k new

    Feller buncher 400k new good luck on a used machine

    Log truck 20k used 180k without gear

    And if ya get a loan you will need insurance on it at 400 a month plus a payment around 3k

    Like bitzer my insurance is around 1400 a year my equipment is owned outright self loaders can haul for less then i would oay in insurance for a truck every month let alone tonnage. Skidder burns 7 gals to the load and the essavator about 9 a day
     
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    Log truck with gear 250k new, Skidder a guy just got a quote on a new cat 525 450k, loader 350k to 750k, Buncher depending on size a cat 501 with head try 450k tethering machine a million. All can be had used just have to look around some.

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    You don't have to pay comp on your guy bits?
     
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    I think our comp rate is 43 or 49 cents on a saw man
     
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    northmanlogging The gyppo's gyppo

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    $18.57 an hour per person for logging in general, i.e. rigging rats and timber fallers

    $1.04 up to $4.76 if yer butt is in a cab, depending on what kind of operation, i.e. road building, land clearing, log trucking etc.

    that is above what you pay the guy per hour.


    (made some edits as I recently got an email about l+i rates for 2017...)
     
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    bitzer Bullshit Timber Expert

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    Any one I've ever had work for me I've had them get their own policy. I don't know how a guy could have employees otherwise.
     
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    You write off their wages and their expenses.

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    northmanlogging The gyppo's gyppo

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    How many employees you got?

    And how many lods di you average per day or per employee?
     
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    We're three employees including myself, loads three to five a day once in a while 6 or 7 but if we stay around the 4 mark our prices stay better. Haul times range from an hour to around 2.5 to and from the site. Trucks we have been using now take 36 tons or so.

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    bitzer Bullshit Timber Expert

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    How do you write off what you're paying into the work comp pool? I always thought you can only write a percentage of that and it's not a big one. I get audited every year by the insurance co to make sure I don't have employees. And if I do have sub contractors I need to write those in and for how much and show proof of insurance for them. You 1099 them for their wages but pretty sure it stops there. It's nearly 60 cents on the dollar into the work comp pool for hand cutting.
     

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