litefoot
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Since this came back to the top, I did hear recently that the Echo/Shindaiwa merger would indeed produce Shindaiwa saws but they would ALL wear the Echo nameplate since it has better name recognition.
Echo + Shindaiwa = Yamabiko
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RavensRoost
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I also owned and rode an RD 305. Quite a crotch rocket in its day!
I also owned and rode an RD 305. Quite a crotch rocket in its day!
lawnmowertech37
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alderman i dont think it will affect kyle at all besides i send kyle alot of customers for dolmar parts and shindaiwa since i dont cover them two brands i still get calls on them and i give out the phone # for them to call
but anyway i dont see anything slowing down for the echo / shindaiwa line
which reminds me i still need to box up some shindaiwa parts
cjtreeclimber
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Sounds good to me. I think Echo's new line of saws cs 450 p, cs 500 p cs 550 p and cs 600 p look really similar to the Shindaiwa saws with maybe some echo modifications and so forth. I'm anticipating getting my hands on one of them. Also they are selling the echo weed eaters with the shindaiwa spools so it looks like they are crossing design.
I'd rather see more Echo in any saw , I think the cs500 has some Shinny in it but hopefully some Echo porting. Steve
hoeyrd2110
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I hope in the new designs they put some torque back in em. Those older echos vls and evls had some torque. If they could make decent midrange torque and nice strong top end instead of just screaming like some of the manufacturers do it would be music to my ears. I can't wait to get my hands on a 500p
SawTroll
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Both are totally uninteresting brands, so why care at all? :msp_rolleyes:
As I understand it, the Echo cs500 simply is a rebranded Shindaiwa.
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cjtreeclimber
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Well I'm checking out the parts catalog right now. It has the two piston rings that I can see so that's one similarity of echo I believe. I think a good way to determine this is to look at the engines design and specs on the Shindaiwa model, and see what looks similar to the cs 500 p. I've actually been looking at the specs and engine build on the cs 600 p and its definitely got to be half echo with the digital ignition system, vibration reduction, rubber cushion grip, integrated choke and throttle, g force engine air pre-cleaner; however I only see 1 piston ring on its engine assembly, but with all that said: if it runs and handles anything like (and better than) my cs 530 I want it. Its got the same weight and cc's as the ms 362 and it might just be one really kick a$$ saw.
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The echo 400 is like the old school evls. Lot of grunt for a 40cc saw. Nice light good handling saw with a lot of power with a muffler mod.
hoeyrd2110
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Very true about the 400 being torquey. I haven't yet run a muff modded one though. I also wanna find out where the 271t came from its so tiny!
cjtreeclimber
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Echos ROCK! :chainsawguy:
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tdi-rick
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Shinny make solid, reliable gear Niko.
Their brushcutters, etc are very popular with outdoor maintenance contractors here, and while I was nearly banned on another forum for having the temerity to disagree with the site owner over it, their pro spec saws are dead solid and reliable, able to cop a lot of abuse, although silly little things like mufflers tend to come loose and disintegrate, but then a certain orange brand we both like had similar issues on some of their saws too
Anyway, great 3.5 year old thread resurrect by cj !
PS, good to see your brother posting here too now. It'll be great to have some more well thought out tech input
SawTroll
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Maybe, but the chainsaws doesn't perform according to specs, and weight a lot more than stated in the specs + lack seriously in ergonomics, as far as I know. Now that was in 2005 (the sub-standard saws were the 488 and 757), but I can't imagine their merger with Echo made it better, rather the opposite! :msp_scared:
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The stealership I've always done business with has always been an Echo and JONSERED dealer.
Earlier this year I noticed he now carries the shindiowa/whatchamacallits..
Years ago the co-op carried the shinnys,,the father in law had bought one, used it for a winter and let it set for a couple years. He gave it to me, I threw it in the trash can. It seemed as though it had been built to be very difficult to work on or even service. It sounds as if they "may" have improved the quality of the product in recent years, perhaps.
The 30-40cc Echos have been very good to me for several years. I hope the shinny doesn't drag 'em to the gutter.
Earlier this year I noticed he now carries the shindiowa/whatchamacallits..
Years ago the co-op carried the shinnys,,the father in law had bought one, used it for a winter and let it set for a couple years. He gave it to me, I threw it in the trash can. It seemed as though it had been built to be very difficult to work on or even service. It sounds as if they "may" have improved the quality of the product in recent years, perhaps.
The 30-40cc Echos have been very good to me for several years. I hope the shinny doesn't drag 'em to the gutter.
alderman
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I've run a few of the 488's and find them to be good saws for the average firewood cutting chores. I can't see any issues with the ergonomics.
I could be wrong but I believe the 575 was an older saw that had been replaced by the 577 by 2005.
But I really think the best of the bunch were the old 500's which were built like tanks and have proven to be very reliable.
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I could be wrong but I believe the 575 was an older saw that had been replaced by the 577 by 2005.
But I really think the best of the bunch were the old 500's which were built like tanks and have proven to be very reliable.
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SawTroll
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From what I have seen, I suspect that Echo deliberately is keeping the power down (by crappy porting), to make less stress on other parts of the saws. That way, they are disrespecting their costumers, and doesn't really deserve to sell anything! :bang::bang:
SawTroll
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I may be wrong about the model number of the larger saw, maybe it was 757? At least it was a 73cc (or so) saw......
tdi-rick
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Yep, 757.
A pro firewood cutter here has had one (and it's his only saw) for years, and it looks it, but keeps cutting.
A good mate is the local chainsaw mechanic and both he and I can't believe the abuse it's taken and it keeps going, and Larry the mechanic is a Husky fella through and through (although I think he has a tank of an 076 too)
