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Discussion in 'Forestry and Logging Forum' started by jdc123, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. Westboastfaller

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    Its the strength I want or at least a low offset weight to strength ratio. I can manipulate the flexability easy as well increase the strength in movment.
    If I think the offset weigh is too great for a down hill lean on a side hill lay then I will use the weigh in motion to manipulate the weight. and bring it back up.
    Doug fir works nice for this.

    That sounds like interior Douglas fir weight. Coast doug fir is about 38 lb/ ft3 (wet weight)
    and about 11lb more that Western Red Cedar. That's a lot of weight on big trees with big branches when the weight is offset. Lots of veriables as when you should do what. Fir swings realy good
     
  2. Westboastfaller

    Westboastfaller Addicted to ArboristSite

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    No I didn't quote you for exact word for word last week. I certainly wasn't in any way trying to distort or twist your words.
    I did say if my actions or words were to bother someone I would apologize. (With in reason)
    *Point taken* and for that I do apologize.
     
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  3. JTM

    JTM ArboristSite Operative

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    I had to sharpen my chain before I finished on the small 25' hickory I cut up Saturday. It was only 10" in diameter but I was cutting small pieces to split up and use on the grill. It's a PITA to split by hand, like trying to split sweet gum. I'll save everything to use for the grill. Even take the loppers to the twigs.
     
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    madhatte It's The Water Staff Member

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    DF is pretty strong and tough. The concern with getting it to lay just right is mostly for big, expensive, old-growth trees, especially redwood and cedar. The second-growth stuff I usually cut is pretty easy to swing around and I worry very little about saving BF because I'm not cutting for scale. I do, however, care very much that the fibers are strong enough that my hinge will hold on long enough to get the top where I want it before the tree starts tipping.
     
  5. northmanlogging

    northmanlogging The gyppo's gyppo

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    Just out of curiosity, compare Doug Fir to some of the eastern maples, like sugar or silver, or maybe some of the more marketed versions.

    Also compare it to a couple of oaks.

    Might be surprising.
     
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    Just Google "wood data base.

    They are all grouped. All Cedars under C
    and such or just search a name of that site.

    You got to look at everything. Like red oak is 14480 strength and 1,765,000
    but weighs 44 lb per Sq ft dry (about 56 lb) it's stronger, not as flexible, about 18lb heavier than coast fir. Not as tall. It's mainly about offset weigh and how you cut it when it come to falling. A forward Leaning tree with thick holding wood can't advance until it breaks the back fibers (or chairs) because the fibers have nowhere to go. You have to add a vertical face and release the fibers. It's like saying the wood is flexable but how flexable is it at the jaws of the vice? Its not. The numbers don't tell the story, furthermore we don't know how or where on the tree it's tested for strength or flex? Is it an average from heart and sapwood?
    that would prove to mean even less.

    They are just some fun facts that you can't base an argument on in relation to falling.
     
  7. pdqdl

    pdqdl Old enough to know better.

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    Yes...and no. I am pretty sure that all the numbers reported in the database apply to 12% humidity kiln dried lumber. That is a far cry from the wood's condition when we come at it with a chainsaw. On the other hand, this database that I quoted earlier seems to work pretty darned good as a relative comparison for all the trees. The softer weaker lumber seems to match up very nicely with the softer weaker trees, although there may be some exceptions.
     
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    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

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    What a worthless piece of shite you turned out to be. Beat it, you goof!
     
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    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

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    Gosukit got ran out on a rail when he was a moderator, and lied profusely about being a logger. He needs a good punch in the forehead. Lol. Never seen such a limp wristed mofo before or since.Gosukit would give his father a blowjob to do his mother out of a piece of tail. Lol
     
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    John, maybe you shouldn't be using aluminum tubing for your still.
     
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    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

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    You're right on the money! Gosukit is the most hated wannabe logger/mod that ever joined AS. Talk about an inferiority complex! What a legacy this useless pos will take to his grave. Lol
     
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    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

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    I don't like fighting like this. F&L is about the love of logging and trees, so I bury the hatchet, but I won't let anybody ruin it for anybody else.
    Cheers!
    John
     
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    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

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    Since when were you Gosuckits bum chum?
     
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    John, man, really? Not liking a person is one thing. I am OK with that. Impugning a person's character, though... that's a whole different level. I do believe that an apology is in order. If you're gonna make it personal, keep it personal -- via PM.
     
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    bitzer Bullshit Timber Expert

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    How did I miss this thread blowing up?

    Nobody uses a Dutchman in deciduous trees? Hahaha, that's just ridiculous. Where the hell has this guy been the last 7-8 years I've been posting pictures and videos?

    Its pretty much common sense why gunning sticks would be used in huge timber.

    A little sideways on your stump isn't going to do **** for the swing of it.


    I think you're all a bunch of pussies.
     
  16. ropensaddle

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    Osage is the best bow wood period it however is a bear to work with the draw knife. In self bows it is unparalleled, however: much care must be taken to follow one continuous growth ring from tip to tip and that includes knots which will be raised to follow the growth ring on the bows back! Misleading because its actually the front seen from the target! There is a reason it was highly prized by plains Indians, it would spit an arrow plumb through a buffalo. Osage bows also get stronger as they age even after the typical 2 year curing time.
     
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    Yes, you are correct, and I will apologize after Bob offers an apology to all others he banned or attacked. Lol
     
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    Hypocrite.
     

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