I am looking for a rugged saw and I was thinking of the RedMax G621AVS. I am from the old school and the equipment does not have to be the latest and greatest gadgets or the fastest cutting speed. I understand the G621AVS has very good low and mid torque. I know it is an old design but that is ok. One of my saws that I had most problems with was an 046 and I am done with Stihl. The Shindaiwa 488 has been my most reliable saw yet but I need a 60cc saw to add to my fleet. The other saw brands I am looking at are. Dolmar, Husqvarna and Jonsered. It is too bad that Shindaiwa does not make a 60cc saw anymore.