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More wood in a pickup bed, split or unsplit?

Discussion in 'Firewood, Heating and Wood Burning Equipment' started by MR4WD, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. MR4WD

    MR4WD AboristSite Guru

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    Just like the title asks.

    This is a tad better then 2/3 cord of Douglas Fir [​IMG]

    Could I fit more in this shortbox if I split it? The truck's a full load, I hate sucking dust on logging roads, each trip counts.

    Just bought a splitter, if that counts :) [​IMG]
     
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    You can put more split wood in a truck than you can in the round. Split wood will have less air space between each pc than a round whould have. I would bring the splitter a long, you will also leave most of the mess in the forest and less cleanup at home.

    Beefie
     
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    qweesdraw ArboristSite Operative

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    Look at all the air space between the rounds.air space between the wheel wells.
    If you split/stack it you can get more in.(or rip/ just split in 1/2) load it well you can haul more.(splitter in 1/2 -1/4) would be faster.
    It looks just over 1/2 cord to me,2/3 cord?? (possibly)on a 6 ft box.
    As i tell wood customers and how i make a cord is 3 sheets of 4 x 8 osb/plywood one on the back side.4 x4 x 8 BOX, the open end is to load.
    On a 6ft box 2ft tall average load is 1/2 cord stacked to the top side mirrors.(2 loads) average.
    Just my opinion.
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    I've never actually performed the experiment but I agree that split wood will make a bigger load. I've heard the same to be true as well. Less air gap between the pieces if carefully loaded. Easier to get loaded into the truck as well.

    Those are some nice looking rounds you've got there, no rot. That'll make some good burnin firewood.
     
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    MR4WD AboristSite Guru

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    Thanks, I try and "timber cruise" for big snags. I've got my eye on a 150' tall 4' doug fir snag. It's gonna take more than 1 trip to pull it out... I like to stick to 2'-3' and under standing dead though.

    Anyways, I think about it like this: If you peel a carrot, you end up with way more space taken up than if the carrot was whole. Same thing When you shred cheese. It takes more room.....

    Looks like I loaded the bed of my truck fairly sloppy, but when I unloaded and stacked the rounds, then split them... it took up MORE room than just regular old rounds.

    I had what looked like just under 3 cords turn into just over 3 tightly stacked, split cords. I think something has to do with the size of wood you stuff in your truck is too.
     
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    ohioburner ArboristSite Member

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    I have to agree with MW4DR as it seems I can get more wood in the truck when it is not split but it is easier to load with it being split. Plus as Beefie said, no mess at home which is a big plus for me.
     
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    I can haul more weight in the rounds so thats got to be more wood.Take a look at that pick up sure tells the story,but most pick-ups are limited by weight
     
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    hey now, i regret the comment about the 'mess'

    i split nearly 18 cord this summer, right next to my burner. Everytime i finish splitting a cord or so, i scoop shoveled and pitch forked the 'mess' into the burner, packed as tight as i could, sometimes having to hercules the door & latch.. Spent the entire summer months heating my hot water with it. Always got 10-14 hrs on a load.... Never touched any that was split/stacked....

    sorry, just had to comment, nothing is a waste with my burner. :)
     
  9. MNGuns

    MNGuns Purveyor of Fine Firewood Consumer of Fine Whiskey

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    Not sure I would want to cruise logging roads with that splitter in tow. They just don't look like they are built to rack up a lot of mileage. My .02 :)
     
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    I can get 2/3 of a cord of split wood in the back of my 6.75' bed and still be able to use the rearview mirror and close the tailgate.
     
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    Carefull workin with that snag, we don't want to read your "Last post" in the papers!?
    :cheers:
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    I agree. I'm more worried about the dust than anything. I don't drive more than 20k one way to get wood though. Still, it's a 3000' climb. The roads I run are smooth and vacant too. Just dusty! And steep! The other side of things, is I don't mind the mess. Just goes into the firepit.

    [​IMG]

    I try and get em pretty fresh still, just dead or on the verge of...

    [​IMG]
     
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    When I neatly stack my trailer full of rounds and then dump spit and restack neatly I always end up with a larger stack and a small pile that won't travel without being at risk of falling off. I would think that the higher overall density of the rounds would make up for the larger air gap over the multiple air gaps with the splits.
     
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    +1 :agree2: The stack always grows when it is split.
     
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    +:cheers:1
     
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    And include a tape measure, extended, in the photos to prove the volume because otherwise we'll have a discussion started about the effects of perspective on photographs :)
     
  18. woodbooga

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    Fluffing.

    We had a monster thread last year on the subject - I don't think it ever came to a definitive conclusion.

    Anyone here have a direct dial to the producers of Mythbusters? Might be a good one for them. Don't know tho' if there'd be much interested since the opportunity to blow something up of start a controlled conflagration isn't up to their usual standards.
     
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    Absolutely positively there will be more wood per unit volume when the wood is unsplit. Nobody ever packs it as tight as Mother Nature my dad always said. I did the experiment with my big truck back in the day. I know there was more when unsplit because I had the truck weighed with split and with unsplit wood on it several times. I kept the weigh slips in the glove box in case I was pulled over by the weight cops. They loved to hassle us firewood and log haulers.

    If I remember correctly I was hauling around 21K for mixed hardwoods unsplit and split it was just under 19K. I was legal for weight with split wood, but with blocks I was over so I always fretted when hauling unsplit wood that I would get weighed.

    The truck bed was 16' long and I could stack 10 rows of 18" firewood to the tail perfectly. Also the sides were exactly 4' high and so I knew exactly the height of the rack. I hauled many, many loads of unsplit blocks and after splitting I could get at least 11 face cords out of the same load, and sometimes it was as high as 12-13. Big blocks from monster trees can be packed really tight on the truck. Split them up and the volume grows a lot. Small rounds do not puff up as much because the number of pieces does not climb like the big chunks did.

    Do the experiment yourself. Take an unsplit load to a grain mill, gravel pit or a trucking company and pay a few $$$ to get a weight. Then fill the truck with the same species of wood split. Get a weight and you will answer the question beyond all doubt. Play fair and be sure to fill the nooks and crannies of the truck equally well for both loads. My truck was a flat bed stake rack so that was not an issue for me. It was a big box.
     
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    Why not ! I'm in the mood to break something.

    I do remember the thread too. It was a mixed decision. Stacked rounds grow when split and restacked. Twisted logs shrink when blocked, then split and stacked. At least that was my take on the outcome.
     

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