So some perks about living and working out here is that we get to demo much of the new Stihl products and report back to our Stihl rep (Chuck) from VA. The latest was the MS461. I ran it a couple of days (It really pained me to run a stock saw), and for all 460 fans the newer model won't let you down. The low end is impressive even in stock form. Although it looks a bit different, all but 9 parts are the same. We gave the saw back the other day, the rep will take it back to the factory, with our feedback as well as others and saw performance, changes may be made. Anyway here are some pics. later, Jasha.