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Yo Dan,

I live in Aston. Maybe one of these days we could meet up at the local watering hole to grab a cold one and talk tree guy stuff.

-Mike
 
That was an interesting video.

It was well edited for advertising, the climber had obvious PPE and the job appeared to go smoothly. All good for home owners who do not understand tree work. Sadly the video is not good enough to promote your business with so many obvious OHS breaches. In the first minute you made more than 8 cuts which, had the saw kicked out, would have split you down the sternum. Cutting the limbs from the right side of a tree, with your body on the same side means the saw has to hit either your torso, your left arm or your lanyard. You looked very smooth and comfortable when climbing so I assume you have been at this for a while. If you are making something for show, slow down and cover all the bases.

Why not take some time to absorb the comments here and make another one. Imagine how much more business you can generate with a video as well edited as the first but with all the OHS boxes ticked?!

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Safety this and safety that. :deadhorse:

He guy went up the tree, the tree came down as planned, all's well. Nobody's perfect and this guy seems to know what he's doing just fine. All this talk about right side cuts, thumbs on top, hanging saws on this side or that, get real. Every move up in the tree is dangerous just by the mere fact that we're in the tree. Could happen if this or that but hey, it didn't.

Good video and good luck with your biz. :cheers:
 
Safety this and safety that. :deadhorse:

He guy went up the tree, the tree came down as planned, all's well. Nobody's perfect and this guy seems to know what he's doing just fine. All this talk about right side cuts, thumbs on top, hanging saws on this side or that, get real. Every move up in the tree is dangerous just by the mere fact that we're in the tree. Could happen if this or that but hey, it didn't.

Good video and good luck with your biz. :cheers:

You seem to have missed the point Cape. The OP asked for opinions and he got them. If you will pardon the pun, I have no axe to grind with this man. I would like him to be succesful in advertising his business but it is fact that the video contained faults which need correcting prior to public release. This process of revision is done every hour of every day in major studios around the world for commercial advertising at great cost. It is happening here for free!
 
Lets have a look at your videos then OOMT! Hmmm, 800 posts here and another what few hundred elsewhere and all ya got is lip service. :chainsaw:

So many arm chair experts, so many talk the talk but aint showing no walk (cluck cluck ya chickens :laugh:).

Treebogan, have a look at this video and watch what happens when you don't line up the lowering device and block. :cheers:

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1735743
 
I thought it was a great advertising video! Yeah a few unnecessary risks, but like myself, noone is perfect.

You have received some good tips and advice here treebogan, just try to follow some of them in your next vid and you will make people here happy.

Nice smooth climbing... I must say though, why did you cut out your side fibres with your handsaw rather then your chainsaw? Oh and with you scarfs (notches[face cuts]) it looked as if you didn't join the top cut with the back cut where the back cut was deeper? If so, ya gotta try and avoid that especially when pushing blokes over without a higher pulling force. In alot of cases, that holding wood (that protects you) relies on momentum to snap(break) it, you can't get that momentum up if you haven't cut it out properly, now you might say you cut through the hinge? Then I say what's the point of that whole cut then?

Once again nice advertising video as the title states. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it in HD.

P.S OOMT, who are you to critique and scrutinize? You bought a franchise and got 2 weeks training. Pffft, what a joke you are! OHS breaches OHS breaches! Tell me now smart ass what Division and clause would these breaches come under in the OHS Act?

Put up or shut up.
 
Ah John, he'll have to confer with his international colleagues coz his local ones are onto him! :monkey:
 
OHS breaches OHS breaches! Tell me now smart ass what Division and clause would these breaches come under in the OHS Act?

Put up or shut up.

Oh John. You need to read a little more carefully.

In the first minute you made more than 8 cuts which, had the saw kicked out, would have split you down the sternum. Cutting the limbs from the right side of a tree, with your body on the same side means the saw has to hit either your torso, your left arm or your lanyard.

Were you asleep in your RTC2304A course where you were instructed to follow manufacturers guidelines in the use of any chainsaw? Did you forget to read the manual where it says do not place any part of your body in the "kickback" line of a saw? In case you have lost this document, (which you must keep as long as you use the saw btw), it is on page 19, section 12 .

Honestly you and Ekka need to work better on your put downs. Even tag teaming you haven't got it.

It is funny how you arrive piggyback in this forum. Do you have a "special bond" boys? Or are you just good friends?
 
Oh John. You need to read a little more carefully.



Were you asleep in your RTC2304A course where you were instructed to follow manufacturers guidelines in the use of any chainsaw? Did you forget to read the manual where it says do not place any part of your body in the "kickback" line of a saw? In case you have lost this document, (which you must keep as long as you use the saw btw), it is on page 19, section 12 .

Honestly you and Ekka need to work better on your put downs. Even tag teaming you haven't got it.

It is funny how you arrive piggyback in this forum. Do you have a "special bond" boys? Or are you just good friends?

Hahaha. You are a joke mate. I didn't do that unit as a stand alone course, it was apart of a much larger more comprehensive course that you couldn't even begin to fathom the training I went through to attain my qualifications. Again smart ass, if you are cutting with two hands on the saw you are still very much most of the time in the area of where kickback can occur. You can't eliminate a kickback hazard on a production basis, the best control for it is to be educated on the subject and understand how it works to prevent it from happing, as well as knowing the correct stances to use the chain brake when it happens.

You need to read better spastic, I said the OHS Act not the chainsaw manual. POINT ME OUT THE SECTION WHERE IT SAYS IT IS AN OHS BREACH!

BTW, page 19 of my 200T's manual is about chain lubrication, but! I did find this interesting piece of info that you so obviously aren't conforming too HAHA

Read the pieces I underlined and circled.
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Operators must be specifically trained for tree surgery work with tree surgery chainsaw

Haha, you gotta stop using it now wanker, and doing you're basic chainsaw tickets isn't specifically trained for tree surgery work.

Thanks for clueing me and the rest of the world in on that one buddy ;) Mr you have to follow the chainsaw manual to use a chainsaw.
 
if you are cutting with two hands on the saw you are still very much most of the time in the area of where kickback can occur.

Were you asleep in your RTC2304A course?

This unit is a compulsory part of CertIII in Australia. If you seriously do not know how to use ANY chainsaw without keeping your body out of the kickback line you should hand back your cert and start over.

You can't eliminate a kickback hazard on a production basis, the best control for it is to be educated on the subject and understand how it works to prevent it from happing

This oxymoron is a demonstration of your chainsaw knowledge? Pfft.

Once again
Were you asleep in your RTC2304A course?

As to why the actions in the OP video were OHS breaches I thought I had made it clear enough but perhaps you don't understand so I will rephrase just for you. The OP is from Norway. OHS may vary from country to country but the simplest rules such as, when operating equipment read and follow the owners manual, are international. Quoting chapter and verse from Australian Acts, legislations and Codes of Practise would not help this person.

You need to read better spastic
You may get away with character assasination in the forum you sponsor but even you should know better than to throw this sort of derogatory term around. You owe the 50,000 cerebral palsy suffers in Australia a sincere apology.
 
This unit is a compulsory part of CertIII in Australia. If you seriously do not know how to use ANY chainsaw without keeping your body out of the kickback line you should hand back your cert and start over.

You are a dumb ass. RTC2304A. See the bolded number 2? That means it is a level 2 (Certificate II) unit. Oh and by the way, the 4 compulsary units from lvl 2 are not to do with chainsaws directly, but about OHS. Even in lvl 3 there is only 1 compulsory unit and that is about OHS again. The RTC2304A Operate and maintain chainsaws unit is not compulsory at all. I could have gotten my cert II and III without even having completed that unit, but it is packaged in with TAFE certs. Read the PDF's I have attached, educate yourself some dumb ass.

If you are not trained under the AQF system I suggest you hand back your franchise and start over.

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Look at the third diagram. Look familiar? Like when you had to limb that tree up that you just felled and hold the saw on unparalleled angles? Oh wait, that is right! Can't put yourself in the line of kick back! We must go get the pole saw to limb it up! Safety and bull#### first!

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Shock shock it is in writing: How to reduce kickback! Wait, that book can't be educating people based on fact now can it?

If you seriously do not know how to use ANY chainsaw without keeping your body out of the kickback line

I know how to use ANY chainsaw and keep my body out of the kickback line just like you probably do. Difference between me and you though and that statement is, I get the job done and done fast to make the big bucks. I do not sit there pondering at my saw as to how to do the next cut without putting myself in the kickback line.

This oxymoron is a demonstration of your chainsaw knowledge? Pfft.

I have not contradicted myself at all and that snippet is exactly what I just called it a snippet of my chainsaw knowledge. There is a few more snippets above in visual form so you can learn some more, dumb ass.

As to why the actions in the OP video were OHS breaches I thought I had made it clear enough but perhaps you don't understand so I will rephrase just for you. The OP is from Norway. OHS may vary from country to country but the simplest rules such as, when operating equipment read and follow the owners manual, are international. Quoting chapter and verse from Australian Acts, legislations and Codes of Practise would not help this person.

I have made it clear, I wanted you to point out in the OHS Act yes our act where it is an OHS breach - I want to see this division and clause which makes you scream so loudly OHS breach OHS breach!

You didn't make it clear at all dumb ass, I asked you a question and you answered with another question, to which I gave you the courtesy (by even going out of my way) and answered it, to which you haven't given me the courtesy and answered mine back.

You may get away with character assasination in the forum you sponsor but even you should know better than to throw this sort of derogatory term around. You owe the 50,000 cerebral palsy suffers in Australia a sincere apology.

and for this I do apologize. I also apologize for bringing down the intellectual capacity of these poor suffering people to your stupid dumb ass level OutOfMyTree.

On my regular forum, we do not character assassinate, we go after the facts. Facts don't lie. I'll admit, I am unsure if you are a wanker, or dumb ass in real life, but over the internet this is how you are coming across to me and others. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Oh look, 5 attachments (going out of my way) so far, and I'm not even a regular of this forum, YET I contribute to it. Put up or shut up, dumb ass.
 
John, I commend your energy to engage this guy in any meaningful conversation.

It sickness me to come from an educated view point to be put on the back foot from a person who's perspective comes from ignorance.

He's only here because no-one else will have him or listen to his crap. :clap: And crap I assure you it is, cant even research the basics of training.

That's why I like assessing, I dont have to listen to all the excuses, arguments, debates etc just hit the old paperwork with this stamp, mind you he needs it on the forehead
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Also he could improve his social skills so those who have work skills and knowledge beyond his aren't offended and walk away.
 
Nice to see everybody getting along...

I am thankful for it though, I have been watching my thumb , I have been slipping and not getting it where it should be. Thanks for the reminder.
 
The RTC2304A Operate and maintain chainsaws unit is not compulsory at all. I could have gotten my cert II and III without even having completed that unit, but it is packaged in with TAFE certs.

Thank you for proving my point. As is also the case in Western Australia, you cannot complete CertIII without first having done various prior units. For example, RTC2304a is a mandatory (or compulsory if you prefer) pre requisite for RTF3028a perform specialist amenity pruning, RTF3019a Remove trees in confined places and RTF3007a Fell large trees. I took the time to read your signature which boldly states you have completed a chainsaw unit and RTF3007a so I assumed I wouldnt have to join the dots for you......

Look at the third diagram. Look familiar? Like when you had to limb that tree up that you just felled and hold the saw on unparalleled angles? Oh wait, that is right! Can't put yourself in the line of kick back! We must go get the pole saw to limb it up! Safety and bull#### first!

Oh dear. John are you saying that you know of no way to limb a felled tree without standing in the kickback line?! Do you hear what you are saying? Go back and read your lesson texts.

I know how to use ANY chainsaw and keep my body out of the kickback line just like you probably do.
And yet you left it off the list of safe practises above and claim that standing out of the kickback line is not possible when limbing a felled tree.....

John no doubt you are a stalwart in your own sandbox but all you have done so far here is to contradict yourself and throw around trash talk. Please stay if you have more positive input. :cheers:
 
Thank you for proving my point. As is also the case in Western Australia, you cannot complete CertIII without first having done various prior units. For example, RTC2304a is a mandatory (or compulsory if you prefer) pre requisite for RTF3028a perform specialist amenity pruning, RTF3019a Remove trees in confined places and RTF3007a Fell large trees. I took the time to read your signature which boldly states you have completed a chainsaw unit and RTF3007a so I assumed I wouldnt have to join the dots for you......

<Yawn> .... once again the expert eh! YOU ARE SO WRONG IT'S A DISGRACE!

This is why we charge a $450 application fee before we even look at peoples request, we'd have to double it for you though coz it's easily seen as twice the work because first we have empty the glass before we can fill it. :dizzy:

RTF30203: Certificate III in Horticulture (Arboriculture)
Training Package notes

Pre-requisites and Co-requisites

There are no pre-requisites in the amenity horticulture units (coded RTF) in the Amenity Horticulture Training Package. This is a direct result of feedback from industry. During the training package reviews it was decided that each training package on implementation should:

Ensure a person can undertake a program at a level that matches their learning needs and requirements

Allow for recognition of existing skills and knowledge, particularly in relation to OHS

Allow for standards to be transferred into other training packages and be used in qualifications contained in other training packages (in particular, but not exclusively, the Rural Common standards)

Allow for all pathways to obtain a qualification

Allow for optimum flexibility in delivery of training to achieve competency standard outcomes

Competency Standards from other Training Packages may have pre-requisites and/or co-requisites. Some units have been imported from other Training Packages and have been included in Group A or Group B of qualifications in this Training Package. Where these units have pre-requisites and/or co-requisites these are identified in the table on the following pages. If competency can be demonstrated in the pre-requisite and/or co-requisite standard(s), then there is no requirement to include them as part of the qualification. Where imported units are used as part of a qualification, RTOs are advised to check the assessment guidelines through the NTIS in case special assessment conditions apply.
Source: http://www.ntis.gov.au/Default.aspx?/trainingpackage/RTF03/qualification/RTF30203/rules

Look through those units you mentioned, there's no pre-requisites. Find me where it says RTC2304a is a pre requisite for RTF3028a. What TAFE does, being government, is keep themselves in a job by forcing their own perspectives of pre-requisites creating a step by step process. You dont even have to do the levels in order like 2,3,4,5,6 etc.... but they like you to.

From the same page .....

Under the Australian Quality Training Framework (AQTF), the following requirements for Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL) are outlined:

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clear information about RPL must be given to applicants before enrolment
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all applicants must be offered RPL upon enrolment.

It is a further AQTF requirement that the RPL process be:

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structured to minimise time and cost to applicants
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clear, allowing applicants enough time to gather evidence to support their claims.

So, once again I have had to invest time arguing with a belligerent know all who knows little.
 
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Ekka you are always good for a chuckle.

I am smiling as I type this thinking about the response you would get in endeavouring to complete any chainsaw related TAFE subjects without first having a chainsaw cert....... Is it your assertation that John completed felling large trees with a nail file?

The original question was whether the video posted was suitable to use in promoting a business. By your choice it has wandered far from that point. Your outrage,bluster and belligerence does not change the fact that what everyone else posting here was endeavouring to do was to help another arborist improve his business. Quite clearly you have another agenda.
 
Ekka you are always good for a chuckle.

I am smiling as I type this thinking about the response you would get in endeavouring to complete any chainsaw related TAFE subjects without first having a chainsaw cert....... Is it your assertation that John completed felling large trees with a nail file?

Your arrogance is only proceeded by your ignorance, even in the face of blatant evidence you still cannot get your thick head around the facts. :monkey:

And (as usual) fail to present any evidence to the contrary other than lip service, this question conveniently left unanswered... Find me where it says RTC2304a is a pre requisite for RTF3028a.
 
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