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Please critique my muffler mod (MS290)

Discussion in 'Chainsaw' started by Positrack, Jan 14, 2010.

  1. Positrack

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    Okay, here's the deal... I wanted to open up the muff while keeping the saw as quiet as possible. The way I did it was to open up as much area as I could outside of the baffle so the exhaust would still have to go through the baffle; it just wouldn't have to squeeze through the two absurdly tiny holes to get out. I did grind down the baffle a bit and bent in the recessed area so the exhaust has a straighter shot at the outlet, and I contoured (fancy word for "bent") the lip to make the opening sort of "3D" if you see what I mean. It is a pretty big opening. I also opened up the deflector a bit. My main concern is the baffle becoming the new restriction. I counted 22 1/4" holes in the baffle (11 per side) which ought to flow quite a bit, but I imagine my mod is still more restrictive than the "straight through the depression" mods I've seen most guys do since the exhaust must still go through the baffle. What do you guys think? Am I leaving a lot on the table by not "straight piping" through the depression or do you think the baffle will flow well enough? Any feedback/recommendations would be appreciated.

    I ran it and tuned the low speed, but haven't had a chance to tune the high speed yet (I finished late. My neighbors are good and I'd like to keep 'em that way...). It really didn't seem too much louder than stock, but it sounded WAY better and badder. Me likes! I'll have to get it tuned and do some cutting with it and see if it helped.

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    i like it.....the color looks like something from a spaceship.....you need to paint the nuts to match!!!! a MM on that series will really change its attitude.
     
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    If that is what I think it is, a sandblast bare finish, It wont be long till that pretty muffler is a rusty muffler. But as for the mod, it looks good.
     
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    Ha! You're right, it sure does look sandblasted. I hadn't thought about it. It isn't though; it's silver header paint. It was the only high-temp stuff I had in the shop so that's what I used. I've had good luck with it. If cured properly, it lasts well.

    I wasn't sure about the color when I got it together, but it's growing on me. Anyway, I'll tune it up today, do some cutting, and see what I've got. It sure can't hurt; I can't believe the little tiny holes they expect this thing to breathe through. Poor saw probably felt like this ---> :taped: Makes you wonder why they do what they do...
     
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    Looks good! Make sure you let us know how it runs, after a full test.
     
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    I did a few almost just like yours. You will be amazed how much power you will pick up. Looks nice
     
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    You still have the internal restriction from the basket though.

    IMHO it is better to cut the extra outlet in the dimple, that way the basket gets bypassed.
     
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    That's true but i think it may make the saw a good bit louder. The mod that in the pics does make the saw really perform pretty good. the ones I did were still 4 stroking pretty good @ 13,800, I don,t know if running that series saw much higher would be wise.
     
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    If you are worried about how loud the saw is then yes keep the muffler mods in check, should be wearing hearing protection anyway right?

    Look at the saws from 20 years back and they don't have a lot of the junk in the mufflers they do today.
     
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    You are 100% corect. The stock opening in a joke and really limits the power. His mod will give a very nice boost witout excessive noise.
     
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    I had the saw out today, and got it tuned more or less. I didn't have much to cut, but I noodled up some big oak rounds I had sitting waiting to be split. It definitely seemed to have more pulling power and didn't get bogged down near as easily. I could put way more pressure on it before it bogged down and it was puking noodles like crazy.:chainsaw: It also seemed to rev higher at WOT, though I don't have a tach, just going by ear. It could have just been the different tone to the exhaust, but I don't think so. Is that normal with a MM? I'm pretty sure I don't have it set too lean (if anything, I tried to err on the rich side). I've got the high screw about 2 turns out from seated and it seems maybe a little rich; does that sound reasonable? It was pretty clearly 4-stroking at WOT but cleaned up when cutting. If I turn it out any farther, it seems to load up and wants to bog for a second when dropped back to idle so I figured that was too rich.

    It's not too loud either, but it sure does sound better. Maybe I should have drilled the depression; I was just afraid it would raise the dead. I wear hearing protection, but I also occasionally use the saw in town trimming my mom's trees so I wanted it to stay semi-reasonable. I might think about maybe drilling a couple small holes in the lower part of the depression but I want to do some more cutting and make sure it's really tuned right before I make anymore changes. Overall though, I'm real happy with it. :chainsawguy:
    Thanks everybody for the input. :cheers:
     
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    Looks good! Being that you sand blasted it I hope you blew it out nice and good with an air compresseor before you put it back on and fired it up.

    Sand and metal shavings are not good things to have in your cylinder....
     
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    Keep going leaner so it 4 strokes no load and cleans up as soon as put in in wood. Better to er on the rich side. I think 2 turns out on the H is too much if everything else is right. I recall the ones i did were no more than 1.3 turns out. I think your going to be around 14K rpm
     
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    I think it looks pretty good

    The thing that I noticed the most was how much saw dust was built up on that 290. That was the only thing I could really say is wrong with them, until you go to rebuild one. They really are saw dust magnets though.
     
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    he didn't sandblast it.
     
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    nice job

    but remember the lower part of your cutout is still covered up by the cover.....I am not sure where the trade-off is between noise and power because I went straight for the lakerized look on my 390....:dizzy: CRAZY LOUD!!!! It was easy and looks good IMO. I just want to get a screen on it.
     
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    I didn't sandblast it. I just painted over the factory bluing with header paint. The areas where you see bare metal were done with the wire wheel. I did blow and vacuum it out very thoroughly after a solvent bath though. It was full of shavings after I finished the hole.


    I'm pretty sure you're right; it's too rich, but I'm new to saw tuning and wanted to make sure it wasn't lean. I'll lean it out some and see what she does. As long as it 4-strokes WOT no load, I'm rich enough right?


    Could be but mine was well past due for a good cleaning anyway. They do seem to pick up and hold a lot of crap though. I keep the chain sharp, but what little fine dust there is seems to accumulate where you see it in the photo. I cleaned it all out with the blowgun before I took it out for tuning.
     
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    Beat me to it. :)


    I was afraid I'd cover up the cut out with the deflector so I actually painted it with a paint pen to match mark it and the deflector really doesn't cover the hole. Maaaaybe a tiny bit on the lower edge but not much. That's why I didn't bother taking it lower. It would have been covered up.

    Or do you mean covered up as opposed to just leaving the deflector off?
     
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    Hey POSI, thanks for the great pics and how-to's.

    I just cut my 029 muffler similiar to your mod, and I am really pleased. Richened up the HS screw and she is a lot snappier with what feels like power to spare, and still pretty quiet. Cutting wood just got funner!
     
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    Well, I'm about the last person around here qualified to give saw modification advice but I'm glad the pics helped. I got the camera for Christmas so I wanted to try it out anyway. :)

    Another update: I had the saw out today cutting hedge with a buddy who also has a 290, and I gotta say, this thing SHREDS now! :chainsaw: I could tell the MM helped the first time I tried it, but I really didn't realize just how much until I got to see it in action next to a stock 290. I think my chain might have been in a little better shape than his but still, it was obvious my saw was making considerably more power. I also noticed it was just a bit louder than I thought it was. My friend's saw is noticeably quieter, and as soon as I started it up he asked me just what the heck I'd done to it. :biggrinbounce2: I still like the sound of it though, and as soon as he saw how it cut he decided he might have to give it a try on his.

    Also, I spent a fair bit of time tuning the high speed this morning and I still ended up with it about 1 7/8 turns out from seated. :confused: I know that seems like a lot, and everything I've read suggests it should be more like 1 1/2 turns or so, but it sure seems like that's what it wants. If I turn it in much more than that, it only 4-strokes sort of intermittently, and the revs don't seem real stable (it surges a bit). At the 1 7/8 setting, it 4-strokes steadily and the revs are pretty stable. It also doesn't smoke anymore than it ever did as far as I can tell. I dunno... I'd have the dealer listen to it but he'd probably pass a stone if I told him I'd modified the exhaust and altered the carb limiters. :rolleyes: I guess I'll just check the plug every now and then and call it good for now until I can get somebody more experienced than me to listen to it. I sure don't want to run it too lean. Thanks to everybody for all the feedback; I really appreciate it. :clap: :cheers:
     

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