Question about Woods Porting?

[rguim007]

First I would recommend that before you knock this place, at least go and take a look at the work they do. As stated before this place has been around for more than 40 years. Originally started by their father, who fixed/serviced saws for the local logging industry. The business currently serves more than 5 states. Loggers drive up from Kentucky to get their stuff fixed. Why? Because it is a full service shop that can fix any saw, port any saw while you wait. They charge a reasonable price, because their clientel are reasonable hardworking people. When logging is what puts food on your table, and your saw is the tool that gets it there, you go to someone you can trust. The majority of the clientel aren't weekend warrior cookie cutters. If you are questioning the quality of the work they do, I'd ask one of the loggers that have had their saw running solid since the day they bought it, and even better after it was modded. They are running work saws, not gtg who can cut the most and quickest cookie saws!!
Lastly, as stated before.....they do enough volume to make up for the prices they charge. I've been there on a saturday morning when the gravel parking lot was full and 15 people were inside dropping off weedeaters, saws, back pack blowers, generators, you name it. Their financials can be found online if you type in their name. They do around 1.2 million dollars a year. Pretty damn good for a little shop in the woods.

 

[Banshee]

1.2 isn't bad when you consider they have a very low over head. They a have 1 full time and 1 part time employee. The 3 brothers all are part owners. They own the building and about 200 plus acres around it.

They also sell tractors and heavy used logging equipment. They also do alot of logging.

These guys grew up around chainsaws. There's been times I've been in there and watched as one of them was teaching his son why this part does what it does.
I'm sure their sons will take over much like they did when their father retired.

Every saw I've had done by them has more power, runs better and is super relieble.

I've brought saws from them that were modded when new ran for a 1 or 2 years in the logging business and then traded in and brought by me and these saws still run great for me. That to me says a lot about their saws.

 

[AUSSIE1]

First I would recommend that before you knock this place, at least go and take a look at the work they do. As stated before this place has been around for more than 40 years. Originally started by their father, who fixed/serviced saws for the local logging industry. The business currently serves more than 5 states. Loggers drive up from Kentucky to get their stuff fixed. Why? Because it is a full service shop that can fix any saw, port any saw while you wait. They charge a reasonable price, because their clientel are reasonable hardworking people. When logging is what puts food on your table, and your saw is the tool that gets it there, you go to someone you can trust. The majority of the clientel aren't weekend warrior cookie cutters. If you are questioning the quality of the work they do, I'd ask one of the loggers that have had their saw running solid since the day they bought it, and even better after it was modded. They are running work saws, not gtg who can cut the most and quickest cookie saws!!
Lastly, as stated before.....they do enough volume to make up for the prices they charge. I've been there on a saturday morning when the gravel parking lot was full and 15 people were inside dropping off weedeaters, saws, back pack blowers, generators, you name it. Their financials can be found online if you type in their name. They do around 1.2 million dollars a year. Pretty damn good for a little shop in the woods.

It doesn't matter what we say, some of you guy's aren't getting it.

It's not questioning their quality of work, but what can be achieved in a certain amount of time or for a particular dollar!

"The majority of the clientele aren't weekend warrior cookie cutters"

So where does this sentence fit in, lol. Majority of the GTG saws are "working" saws BTW. There are alot of quick firewood saws out there cutting "cookies". But going by your post, you just haven't worked that out yet!

Ok we haven't seen the work provided by this company but altering the ignition timing does bring up a question mark.

 

[pwoller]

It doesn't matter what we say, some of you guy's aren't getting it.

It's not questioning their quality of work, but what can be achieved in a certain amount of time or for a particular dollar!

"The majority of the clientele aren't weekend warrior cookie cutters"

So where does this sentence fit in, lol. Majority of the GTG saws are "working" saws BTW. There are alot of quick firewood saws out there cutting "cookies". But going by your post, you just haven't worked that out yet!

Ok we haven't seen the work provided by this company but altering the ignition timing does bring up a question mark.

Maybe they can get more done in the time then most because they aren't checking the forums every 15 minutes...

 

[AUSSIE1]

Maybe they can get more done in the time then most because they aren't checking the forums every 15 minutes...

You fit their perfect customer requirements!

 

[rguim007]

Vegemite1,

I've got it worked out, no problem. Is a "working saw" in your mind, one that runs and is owned by a IT support specialist, or computer programmer? Sounds like it. I was describing a saw that is run for 8 hours a day felling trees 365 days a year. Cutting up firewood would require a "working saw", but how can you have time to do that and work on the computer 8 hours a day?
As far as the timing goes, that would require another post for explaination and pictures. Do a search...as everyone likes to say.

I'm done, goin to work. I just got on this thread because buddy told me that they were bashing D + D. This forum arguing is worthless......I'm outta here....

 

[Shrug]

The more I read about all the mods that can be done, I am thinking that less might be more in my case. For example, I am now thinking that all I may require is a simple muffler mod followed by the proper carb adjustment. This would in fact give my saw more power and help it run more efficiently and cooler would it not? Anyway, all the other expensive tweaking might not be necessary is what I am thinking. Plus, I am not crazy about shipping my saw across the freaking country and then having it shipped all the way back. If there was a local shop in my area that did this kind of work I would not even hesitate. But I don't really wanna trust UPS or Fed Ex, etc, etc, etc with the care of such an expensive saw when I am not exactly the richest guy in the world. Plus, the money I save on just doing the simple muffler mod and carb adjustment I figure I can put it towards another BIGGER saw and then do the same thing to it. Am I making sense here guys?

 

[AUSSIE1]

Vegemite1,

I've got it worked out, no problem. Is a "working saw" in your mind, one that runs and is owned by a IT support specialist, or computer programmer? Sounds like it. I was describing a saw that is run for 8 hours a day felling trees 365 days a year. Cutting up firewood would require a "working saw", but how can you have time to do that and work on the computer 8 hours a day?
As far as the timing goes, that would require another post for explaination and pictures. Do a search...as everyone likes to say.

I'm done, goin to work. I just got on this thread because buddy told me that they were bashing D + D. This forum arguing is worthless......I'm outta here....

The problem is you think people are bashing D & D because you just don't get it. They do little work, charge little money your happy. Nothing wrong with that. What people are saying is you are not getting the full deal otherwise you would be charged more.

Ok, list everything performed in what they call a woods port and what they charge over how much time and at what hourly rate.

BTW, no point lowering yourself with the attempt at name calling as it doesn't work!

 

[Shrug]

Guys, I think this is becoming a little counter productive! There is no sense in arguing as it will not solve anything. I can see both sides in this. On one hand there are several guys defending a old time honored shop that has a good reputation for providing good service and good quality work to hard working loggers. So what if they do not charge a lot of money for the work they do. Does that make it bad quality work, certainly not. At least not without any kind of proof saying otherwise, and judging from the amount of people that have jumped to the defense of this particular shop, they must be doing something right.

Now with that being said. Does all of that mean that they do as extensive of a job modifying saws as other individuals and shops do? Do they spend the same amount of hours? Seems to me that the answer is NO, because the jobs being described that are taking hour upon hour upon hour seem to entail a more complicated job with MORE total work being done.

Does price decide the quality of the job being done? Not always.

Are people going to be cautious of a low advertised price for work that they typically think should cost more? Usually Yes.

LESS WORK DONE = LESS MONEY CHARGED

MORE WORK DONE = MORE MONEY CHARGED

That is a constant no matter who you are dealing with.

This D + D shop sounds like a really cool place. In fact the guys defending it have made a really good case for it and have made me very curious as to the work they do. I am not the richest guy in the world and if they in fact do turn out GOOD QUALITY work I would be very tempted to have a saw done there and see how it turned out.

As I have said, I need a ROCK SOLID work saw. So if they can provide a gain in performance while maintaining or improving the working life of my saw then that would be fine with me.

I am new here and I really want to learn all that I can. And I want to do my research well before I choose the shop that I will have the work on my saw done by. Will that shop be D + D maybe. Will it be another shop altogether, maybe. Will it be an individual from this board, maybe. But lets please stop arguing and just exchange knowledge so that we can get the topic of discussion back to a useful learning tool for inexperienced guys such as myself please. And who knows, even the experienced guys might pick up a thing or two that they did not know before.

 

[mdavlee]

I would try a muffler mod first and see if that makes you happy. If that does then you won't have to ship your saw anywhere or anything like that.

 

[timberwolf]

Yep a nice muffler mod often gives a saw a nice wake up and kept reasonable it will run smooth as stock but better.

Never seen a saw screwed up by too little "porting" but seen a good few fubared by too much "porting".

Only trouble with the muffler mod only plan is to know that as much as the saw gained by the muffler work alone can be had again by matching up some good port work.

Porting is a diminishing return, the second 10% is going to take more to achieve than the first 10%, the third 10% more yet and so on... The price to pay in fuel, usability, parts and lifespan will also be incrimentally higher the furth down the mod road you go.

 

[Shrug]

Yeah, I see your point. Keeping that in mind I will not do anything more to my 390 than order a modded muffler for it and then tune the carb myself. I found an individual who makes modded mufflers for pretty much any saw you can imagine. I mean, I would do the muffler mod myself but I do not have a welder of any kind and on top of that I do not have any welding experience. And I would like the finished product to look like it was intended to be that way. Tuning the carb on the other hand will be a piece of cake.

The money I save by not getting the other more expensive mods done to my 390 I am going to put towards a Stihl MS880.

 

[mdavlee]

If you do a bolt on deflector from the 288xp you don't have to weld anything. It will cost you about $15 in parts. If you have a drill and dremel then it's a piece of cake. that picture is on a 390. Those are the 2 different deflectors that are made by husky. The larger one is around $13 and the smaller $9.

 

[nmurph]

save your money from thieves selling MM on the internet. there is a MM that can be done for about $15 and requires no welding. i have done it on several saws and lots of members have as well. you need a deflector for a 281/288 and the firescreen. you can attach it with sheetmetal screws and it will stay. baileys or your husky dealer can hook you up.

 

[nmurph]

good mike......i got interrupted and it took a minute to finish.......shrugs, you get the point.

 

[gink595]

save your money from thieves selling MM on the internet. there is a MM that can be done for about $15 and requires no welding. i have done it on several saws and lots of members have as well. you need a deflector for a 281/288 and the firescreen. you can attach it with sheetmetal screws and it will stay. baileys or your husky dealer can hook you up.

Please don't use sheetmetal screws, nothing screams Hack more than sheetmetal screws, Ask Maldeney


BTW Use quality rivets, they won't viberate out and they look like it was made that way, not a afterthought

 

[gink595]

The money I save by not getting the other more expensive mods done to my 390 I am going to put towards a Stihl MS880.

Save your money for something else, the 880 is a pig. I'd rather have a 3120.

 

[nmurph]

Please don't use sheetmetal screws, nothing screams Hack more than sheetmetal screws, Ask Maldeney


BTW Use quality rivets, they won't viberate out and they look like it was made that way, not a afterthought

sorry, but they work, don't back out and i can take them out in a few seconds to tweak the MM. i think i got the idea from brad.....so, scream at him while your at it!!!!!

 

[mdavlee]

I used sheet metal screws on the first ones I did. I added a lock washer and locktite after one of them came off and no more problems. If you rivet it on you can't clean the screen if you run one.

 

[nmurph]

yes, but it looks like a hack did it!!!!