ArboristSite.com Sponsors
 
 


What is a McCulloch Pro Mac 10-10 ???

Discussion in 'Chainsaw' started by sawnut, Aug 21, 2002.

  1. sawnut

    sawnut ArboristSite Lurker

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2002
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    Does anyone know anything about a McCulloch Pro Mac 10-10 saw? I found a used one but the seller knows nothing about it.

    Looking for how many CC's the motor is, relative horsepower etc.

    Is this a good saw or is it more of a wall hanger?

    What's it going to be like to run a old boy like this all day?

    Any help is much appreciated!!!

    Sawnut.....
     
  2. Robert Doubrava

    Robert Doubrava ArboristSite Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2002
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    TX
  3. sawnut

    sawnut ArboristSite Lurker

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2002
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    Hi Robert,

    I tried your link to the CSCC but it looks like that page has moved, at least for a week or two.

    Do you have any other good sources for chainsaw info?

    Thanks, Sawnut
     
  4. John in MA

    John in MA Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2001
    Messages:
    1,440
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    MA, USA
  5. Bill G

    Bill G Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    6,811
    Likes Received:
    413
    Location:
    Illinois
    I have never seen a Mac that was not a boat anchor. I have watched guys pull all day on them and they never start. I got a few in the shop now that I need to get rid of. I am sure there are some good Mac's but my experience has been with bad ones. I believe I have a 10-10 that I believe is complete. If you need parts let me know

    Bill
     
  6. sawnut

    sawnut ArboristSite Lurker

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2002
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    You got me scared. I guess thats why I asked about McCulloch. I only know about Stihl's I guess I will quit trying to save my money and buy what I know is the best.

    For anyone wondering about the saw I am looking at:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2047035662

    Actually the price on this saw is getting up there where I would rather have an 026 pro or even an 046 magnum saw for a few more bucks.

    Thanks to all who helped me with the info!!!

    Sawnut
     
  7. sedanman

    sedanman Just cut the piano!!

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2002
    Messages:
    2,793
    Likes Received:
    53
    Location:
    Beacon NY usa
    Boat anchor or not, that saw has earned the right to become a museum piece. You can restore something many times but its only original once! I'd bet the ranch that this saw will NEVER see wood.
     
  8. John in MA

    John in MA Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2001
    Messages:
    1,440
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    MA, USA
    It looks like a great saw for the collector, but I wouldn't want it for cutting. On the heavy side, parts are getting mighty hard to find for Macs these days, and the price is far too high for what it offers.
     
  9. johncinco

    johncinco Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2002
    Messages:
    1,330
    Likes Received:
    91
    Location:
    W MI. Trying to get into Banned camp
    The B*st*rd Children of saws

    As an amateur in the saw gathering crowd, I have learned a couple things so far. Most people love to hate macs. They will talk smack all day long about how bad they are and how there stihl/husker is the greatest thing since the invention of chain. The other crowd loves their macs. I fall into the second crowd. I came into my great grandfathers saw a couple years ago and have bought and tinkered with them since. I finally got that old beast running running recently and plan to enter the antique category labor day weekend. I just bought my 2nd old one recently, and keep looking for something special all the time. I have been warned already that it is an addiction, and I should run as quick as possible. That saw your looking at, it is awful, way too heavy, you would never get any enjoyment out of it. As a matter of fact NEVER look at it again, save your self quick! (please ignore my bids on it as well) and dont tell Tim I like it either! Oh yeah, avoid any further abuse, and Don't go look at the 1000, with a 6.1 CI engine. The biggest competition that I have seen other than a couple serious saw guys are the go cart guys. They use the motors and dump the rest. Keep buying red and orange ones! JB
     
  10. John in MA

    John in MA Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2001
    Messages:
    1,440
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    MA, USA
    Isn't the Mac 1000 a Partner P100?
     
  11. ccicora

    ccicora Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2002
    Messages:
    1,204
    Likes Received:
    16
    Location:
    Middle of No Where, NY
    I sold a Mac 10-10 on the zone this past year. It was a good saw for its day. It was built as a saw to be used for small wood 18" and under. It ran good till it was lent out and a guy ran the saw with no filter. I'm a Sthil guy but I did like running that saw. As far as weight, well alls I half to say is get bigger arms and back muscles.

    As for the price on Ebay... too much for that saw even though it looks cherry. For a good running 10-10 is worth in the 100-150 range.

    Later,
    Chris
     
  12. Bill G

    Bill G Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    6,811
    Likes Received:
    413
    Location:
    Illinois
    johncinco,

    When I said I had never seen a Mac that was not a boat anchor that was my personal experience. It was actually more of a joke than anything else. It was not talking smack. As I stated earlier I am sure there are some good ones. If Mac did not build some good saws they would have sold as many as the did. I am not a Stihl or Husky person. I prefer a saw that starts easy, runs hard as long as I do, and lasts a long time. If that is a Stihl, Husky, Homelite, or Echo then so be it. I have never had a Mac that would do that although I am sure there are some that would.As for the question regarding the 10-10, now that I see what saw is being referred to I agree with the previous posts. This saw is new and should never be used. It belongs on a shelf. My favorite saw of all saws I have used is a Homelite Super EZ. A few weeks back there was a brand new one sold on ebay. I wish I would have at least tried to buy it. I believe I have convinced my wife to let me display a saw on a shelf in the house and this would have been perfect.
     
  13. sawnut

    sawnut ArboristSite Lurker

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2002
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    Wow, this is great. With a bunch of info like this, I'll have to just try one and see if I like it. My history of saw knowlege starts at Lowes home improvement stores (stop laughing). A local Lowes store closed only to move across the road and open up an even bigger store. So everything was on clearance starting at 40% off. I found a few saws that were new but on display, and thanks to the knowlegable staff, I got a Poulan Pro 295, and a Pro 330 for 50% off (for demo's) and then another 40% off at the register. Go figure? Anyhow, I used them last season quite a bit and have to say, my Dad and his Stihl 051AV was still the king of fire wood. I decided to sell all my Poulans and search for bigger and better saws. Guess Dad's Stihl has infulenced me quite a bit as I have an 088 magnum on order. I always end up buying elephant guns.....Arghhh.......I do like to try different things and have heard some good old stories about Mac's like the 1-51, and so thought I would ask the experts.

    Poulans are good saws, but if you need something with balls, you better look elseware. They don't make anything big enough to make time on 24" Oak here in Ohio.

    Thanks to all the replys.....Sawnut....
     
  14. John in MA

    John in MA Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2001
    Messages:
    1,440
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    MA, USA
    There are a lot of big 'ol Macs out there that are pretty good. The SP125 and 380 come to mind.

    I know what you mean about the big guns. You should see me cutting 10" maple with a 110cc Jonsereds.
     
  15. oakman

    oakman ArboristSite Operative

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2001
    Messages:
    288
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    michigan
    hello, old mac lover here. in my opinion, some of the best saws ever made were the macs between 1960, and 1972. i have many in my collection, most 80ccs and bigger. yea, they don't rev like a modern saw, and they are heavy, but that was the technology for the times. 066's and 088's, and the like, ain't exactly light neither. i have gotten a lot that were retired after 10 or 15 years of hard service in the woods, sat in a barn or in someones garage since, and required no more than a good cleaning, carb cleaned out, and occasionally an ignition adjustment to run strong again. i wonder, in 30 or 40 years, if i'm still among the living, how many saws of today will be able to make the same claim to fame. can all those plastic parts survive that long? guess we'll have to wait and see. anybody thinks these old macs are gutless, come on up to my place. i got a super 250 made in canada with a 30" gb bar that gets right up and talks to ya. also got a 1-41 i bought from chris ciccora that after a little tweaking, is the screaminist old mac i ever saw. and, if yer brave enough, you can run one of my super pro 125's. if'n that saw don't get your attention, you need viagra. oh yea, don't ferget yer ear protection!
     
    wudpirat, raycarr and joatmon like this.
  16. Johnc(ks)

    Johnc(ks) ArboristSite Lurker

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2002
    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kansas, USA
    The Pro-Mac 10-10 has a 3.5 cu. in. engine (I don't know hp rating). I have a Mac 10-10 Auto, which has a slightly smaller (3.3 cu. in.) engine, and is really a screamer.....when I can keep it running. I've only been able to burn an entire tank of fuel once (without a breakdown) in the 5 years I've owned it. The last time I tried to use it, it ran great at home but after 5 or 6 cuts it died and wouldn't restart. The only saw I've owned that was more aggravating was my old Power-Mac 6 (also a screamer).
    These saws were truly engineering marvels for their time (late 60's - early 70's) but had some annoying weaknesses. They used a host of unique molded plastic and rubber parts in the fuel and oil systems that were prone to failure, and to make matters worse, McCulloch parts support was pretty pathetic (at least at my local dealer), even 20 years ago.
    If you're looking for something to tear down, play with, or annoy your neighbors with....one of these Macs would be what you're looking for. If you're looking for something to start, run, cut, and idle reliably...you might want to look for a different color saw.

    John C.
     
  17. johncinco

    johncinco Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2002
    Messages:
    1,330
    Likes Received:
    91
    Location:
    W MI. Trying to get into Banned camp
    Amen!

    Oakman I plan on making the trip to your place some time to chat and check out the the toys. Thanks again for the help and info in the past. To Bill G, no offensive taken or given. If we couldnt talk it up, we would miss half the fun! My idea was that everybody has their preference and likes to give the stick any time the opp comes available. Dont come near me with a polaris when I am on my Ski-doo! (unless you have an extra $100) I did not get the 1000, had to tend to biz at home and lost by $20. Heck I can make that up in shipping by picking it up in person. Maybe somebody will back out. Now if I had to make my living in the woods like some of these guys, I am sure I would have a different opinion and preference. My dad cuts with his Stihl and frowns at me when I show up carrying yellow. My car collection includes 4 Opel GTs, they dont make those any more either! The info on this thread has been great and really caught me up on some of the history, even if some of it contradicts. Mike A's site is great, but I still have a hard time following which line follows which numbers. Have a great weekend! John Brooks I am off to see 2 different mills run this weekend to figure out what I want to run for fun.
     
  18. oakman

    oakman ArboristSite Operative

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2001
    Messages:
    288
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    michigan
    "If you're looking for something to start, run, cut, and idle reliably...you might want to look for a different color saw."

    well i'll admit i think mcculloch had some design flaws in their smaller displacement saws. however, were i a pro logger or made my living with a saw back then, i would've chose a larger saw than a 10-10 to go to work with. even though they called one model a "pro mac", i have my doubts that it was ever intended to be used in a logging environment. none of my 80cc or larger macs from that time period have any molded plastic or rubber parts, in critical areas, with the exception of fuel lines, knobs, and the carb boot on the sp125, and i have never had a failure of any of these parts. and all of 'em will start, run, and idle all day long as easily as any of my modern saws, a few even better. i am primarily reffering to the 1- series macs, the 250's, 380's, and super pro 125's, as i believe these particular saws were the most ruggedly built saws, and are by far the easiest to maintain. i know there are some even older macs, gear drives and 2 man's that were built just as well, although i haven't gotten into collecting those, yet. god help me if i do...........................................................
     
  19. Johnc(ks)

    Johnc(ks) ArboristSite Lurker

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2002
    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kansas, USA
    Don't get me wrong....I won't throw out a saw just because it is yellow and says Mac on the side. I did a lot of cutting and limbing with the old PM-6, but when the oiler quit (and the dealer couldn't get parts for it), I gave it to a friend so he could build a (big) RC airplane around the engine.
    The few times that I had my 10-10 Auto running, I couldn't bog down that little engine with a 16" bar...even while cutting hedge. My secret plan is still to resolve the saw's problems, and then convince my neighbor to trade me even-up for his 1-42.
    (Something tells me I'd better have a very convincing sales pitch for my secret plan.)

    John C.:D
     
  20. Bill G

    Bill G Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    6,811
    Likes Received:
    413
    Location:
    Illinois
    As I got to thinking I can remember one good Mac that I used. When I was in college I worked for the US Army Corps of Engineers. My main duties during the summer were serving as a lawn jockey. I was noted for not liking to mow around trees and I would find away to cut them down. We had 2 Mac's and a Pioneer. The pioneer was a beautiful saw, especially with a 28" bar. One MAC was a toy that would never run (just like all my other experiences with the toy Mac's). The other Mac was a old one I believe it was a Model 35 (not sure though). It was the kind that had no cover over the drive sprocket and used I believe 1/2 pitch chain. The bar pointed upward at a large angle. I need to cut off some stumps one day and I thought I would get the old Mac out I see if it would run. The darn thing started right up and I used it to do all my work that day. I bought an identical saw a month ago just to see if I could get it running. I brought it home cleaned it up and the son of a gun started right up. The chain will not cut hot butter but it does run. I know there are good Macs and I am always looking to by some of the older bigger ones. Just like everyone else I would love to pick up a 125 and a 2 man Mac. I have some 2 man Mall's but they are not even in the same league as the 2 man Mac.

    Bill
     

Share This Page