RiverRocket
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Yeah, I was thinking the only ones making a higher profit margin is the petroleum companies. I know I'm not making a higher profit margin than I was in the 80's. Of course, I'm sure leon will tell me I'm in the wrong business, or doing what I do wrong, or not making a quality product, or... or... or. :msp_rolleyes:
I think the same thing every time I read one of his posts. If he put half the effort into doing something constructive instead of ridiculing everything except his own opinions, he might actually achieve something.
If you present yourself in person the same way you do here, they might have told you a lie just so you'd say 'no' and they could get out of there. And if by chance you took their bait and went for the new burners or boilers, they'd make their time with you worth their effort.
Just because someone doesn't want to install a 2 or 5 or 10 thousand gallon water tank doesn't make the system they DO want any less valid. Some people WANT efficiency, some could care less. And as far as the boilerplate issue goes, yeah, it's probably better than mild steel. But if was all that great, old steam locomotives would never have had to have been rebuilt. Or repaired for that matter. And there were plenty of boiler repair people in the heyday of the steam engine.
I, for one, found RiverRocket's view of the Central Boiler over the Hawken to be pretty interesting. I will never own a Central because I have a hang-up about square fireboxes, but that doesn't mean it's not a great boiler that he'll probably get at least 20 years out of with minimal maintenance. And his point about it being welded on both sides was a valid point. Your condescending reply to him was, "You cannot tell that a boiler is better built unless you can see the interior welds." How do you know he DIDN'T see the interior welds? I HAVE seen the inside and outside of the Hawken boilers and know they are NOT welded on both sides. If I end up with a Hawken, mine WILL be welded on both sides because I'll do it myself. But that's my choice.
RiverRocket; I think you'll be happy with the Central. 3 of my friends have them and one is going on 17 years of 9 months a year service and he just replaced a pump this past winter. That's the only thing he's ever done to it. As for plumbing yours directly into the baseboard, I wouldn't do that myself. I'd rather heat the water in the existing boiler and if something ever happens to your Central, you'll have the option of using your pre-existing boiler as a backup.
I have friends with the Hawken Boilers and the're very happy with them, No problems..
Central Boiler just Implemented a $1,000 rebate special( went into effect Yesterday)
so that influenced my decision a little, but not totally..
The main two factors why I chose the Central Boiler over the Hawken
#1 The heat tubes in the Hawken run horizontally and are a pain to clean (Central Boiler run Vertically)
#2 The Central Boiler Welds (Both sides)
I like the new Patented charge tube on the Central Boiler
I've decided to use the heat exchanger instead of hooking up directly..I Like the idea of keeping my house boiler system isolated from the OWB
Hawken,Central Boiler and Heatmor are the only stoves that i could find within 60/miles
I was looking for a boiler with a round fire box, but couldn't find one...The bigger (Non gassifier) Hawkens have a round fire box, but the smaller units didn't
Thank You for all of the advice and help