Which is the best pro saw of each brand?

[fordf150]

jonsered, husky, stihl all have the buy oil/premix fuel with purchase of a saw and it extends the warranty.

jred/husky is 6 pack of oil extends it by 1yr and 3 quarts of premix is 2 yrs

stihl is 6 pack of ultra extends it by 2yrs????? that doesnt sound right but its what is stuck in my head.

Its all sales/marketing gimmicks to get more money and make you think its a better product. Most warranty claims are going to be made in the first couple months of use on any of the major brands. After that most of the failures are going to be user abuse or neglect.

 

[Idahonative]

And I suppose you know a lot of pro loggers who use Echo's to make a living, right? Or are you just playing the Echo cheerleader again?

Here in France we have a great Echo dealership, same warranty and the saws are sold with rebranded Tsumura bars. But there are currently no pro logger who uses Echo.

There you go with that Socialist logic again.

 

[Idahonative]

If you want a solid dependable product and don't mind sacrificing power and compactness...

I agree with most of what you are saying. But there are not many Echo owners who have done a simple MM and tab delete that are complaining about power. Yes, not everyone is comfortable doing that but for those who are, the power is right up there with any other pro saw.

 

[CapitaineHaddoc]

There you go with that Socialist logic again.

That's exactly the reason I remove you from my ignore list. You're just too funny!

 

[fordf150]

I agree with most of what you are saying. But there are not many Echo owners who have done a simple MM and tab delete that are complaining about power. Yes, not everyone is comfortable doing that but for those who are, the power is right up there with any other pro saw.

Yes a simple MM and retune makes most of the Echo saws come alive but you shouldnt have to MM a saw just to get it up to the power of other comparable saws that are box stock. I like my 620....but its heavier, slower, more expensive than a 6100. I seriously doubt Echo is going to capture much of the PRO market with saws like that. If they want the PRO market they had better up their game even more. They have Quality and price point nailed down. Now they need to work on the size, weight, power, fit/finish, and ergonomics.

 

[sunfish]

I'd like to get some run time on a Dolmar 6100. Looks like a nice saw!

 

[KenJax Tree]

Don for about $525 you can have all the run time you want[emoji3]

 

[mcobb2]

Okay... On the 90 plus cc front: The 395 weighs within a pound of a 661 and spanks it in the long bar department, and the 390 beats it, or is at least even with it with short bars and weighs less. The 550 makes within a tenth of a horsepower and weighs a pound less than a 261. The 441 is a heavier copy of a 372, and like I said, the 461 is pretty damn good. And... As you all probably know by now, I think 60cc chainsaws are pointless because they weigh so close to 70 but produce much less power.

Edit: As I now think about this... Stihl has another few things on their Swedish competition. First being dealer network. This is critically important to me. It's why one branch of my business runs Husqvarna and the other runs Stihl. The other is bars and chains. Stihl makes much better bars and chain than anything else on the market.

First off, I'd have to admit: My name is Mark and I'm an alcoho... I mean Stihl fan. I am getting better now to widening my options from just a pure sherbet world. Having said that I have to disagree with the 661 comment. Do you have any real seat time yourself with these saws or are you reading threads? I do have to agree though, different strokes for different folks. I've ran 372's and I don't like the handling.

Going back to the OP... I have a 362c-m. I love it for a one saw plan for everyday stuff. HOWEVER... We should look in to the fact that your looking for a reliable saw that is in the 60-ish cc range. I do have faith in Stihl's 362 but as far as a reliable 60cc saw I would look for a MS361. Of all Stihl equipment produced, the MS361 had the least percentage of warranty claims ever. Yes... I am bias... but the issues being claimed on 562's are MOSTLY catastrophic or a regular game of cat-and-mouse through a series of parts. Anyone else notice how Husky doesn't even have reviews on the site anymore? AND... I admit that the 362c-m is not flawless as well. I have not had issues with any of mine but I have heard of a few bad fuel solenoid's out there. So I'm not trying to spit on one brand at all. I don't have much experience with Dolmar's but I hear a lot of good claims on the 6100/6400 as well.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is I vote 361 if you want an all around rock solid saw in a 60cc package. A 362c-m is a solid saw as well, but you then have fuel solenoids etc in the picture. Not to sound like an old farmer however sometimes simplicity takes the cake.

 

[Idahonative]

That's exactly the reason I remove you from my ignore list. You're just too funny!

A real man would never use the "ignore" button.

 

[Idahonative]

Now they need to work on the size, weight, power, fit/finish, and ergonomics.

On Paper, 620p vs. 6100:
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Weight:
Echo: 13.67 Dolly: 13.2 (The Echo comes standard with DD's and Mag clutch cover)

Power:
Echo: ?? Dolly: 4.5 hp (No specs on the Echo but pretty sure it is at or above the Dolly)

Speed:
Echo: 13,200 Dolly: 13,800 (Reed had his 620 easily pushing 14,000)

Bar length:
Echo: Up to 27" Dolly: Up to 20"
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To say one machine is better than the other is hard to do. They are both excellent machines and both would give an ms362 or a 562xp all they could handle. Both are less money and both are built as good or better.

BTW: A MM on the Echo 600 series saw takes all of about 5 minutes. It takes longer to round up the tools than the actual time to do it. It's almost like Echo designed it in such a way to make it easy for the owner to open it up where it belongs. Simply taking the 90* deflector plate out helps tremendously.

 

[chevyforlife21]

Well duh poulan pro because it's in the name


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[MustangMike]

Yea, I though the 661 comments were off the mark also (no pun intended). Perhaps he is referring to ported saws, but not stock.

And thanks for letting me run your 661 at the spring GTG, it was a very nice saw.

 

[fordf150]

On Paper, 620p vs. 6100:
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Weight:
Echo: 13.67 Dolly: 13.2 (The Echo comes standard with DD's and Mag clutch cover)

Power:
Echo: ?? Dolly: 4.5 hp (No specs on the Echo but pretty sure it is at or above the Dolly)

Speed:
Echo: 13,200 Dolly: 13,800 (Reed had his 620 easily pushing 14,000)

Bar length:
Echo: Up to 27" Dolly: Up to 20"
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To say one machine is better than the other is hard to do. They are both excellent machines and both would give an ms362 or a 562xp all they could handle. Both are less money and both are built as good or better.

BTW: A MM on the Echo 600 series saw takes all of about 5 minutes. It takes longer to round up the tools than the actual time to do it. It's almost like Echo designed it in such a way to make it easy for the owner to open it up where it belongs. Simply taking the 90* deflector plate out helps tremendously.

Weight:
Echo: 13lb 7oz Dolly: 13lb 4oz (The Echo comes standard with DD's and Mag clutch cover) Those are my weights from my scale. Real world not paper specs

Power:
Echo: 4.4hp on the Japanese site which is likely higher than the US version that is subject to EPA emissions Dolly: 4.5 hp

Speed:
Echo: 13,200 Dolly: 13,800 ????? not an important thing to compare. Loaded in the cut rpm is the important number and from my testing the 6100 was 2 seconds faster thru the same wood with the same chain so that equals a higher loaded rpm and that is the important number to compare

Echo 620P w/20" $649.99 Dolmar 6100 w/20" bar $574.95(quoted list prices for both so it was fair)

Bar length:
Echo: Up to 27" Dolly: Up to 20" dont think many people listen to what a manufacturer says for bar length.

They are 60cc saws.: 20-24" bar max for most people that run this size saw. If i need longer than a 20" bar I move up to an 80cc saw. Most of my logger/tree trimming customers run 20" bars on their 90+cc saws.

 

[CapitaineHaddoc]

On Paper, 620p vs. 6100:
----------
Weight:
Echo: 13.67 Dolly: 13.2 (The Echo comes standard with DD's and Mag clutch cover)

Power:
Echo: ?? Dolly: 4.5 hp (No specs on the Echo but pretty sure it is at or above the Dolly)

Speed:
Echo: 13,200 Dolly: 13,800 (Reed had his 620 easily pushing 14,000)

Bar length:
Echo: Up to 27" Dolly: Up to 20"
----------

To say one machine is better than the other is hard to do. They are both excellent machines and both would give an ms362 or a 562xp all they could handle. Both are less money and both are built as good or better.

BTW: A MM on the Echo 600 series saw takes all of about 5 minutes. It takes longer to round up the tools than the actual time to do it. It's almost like Echo designed it in such a way to make it easy for the owner to open it up where it belongs. Simply taking the 90* deflector plate out helps tremendously.

No, it is not hard to say. The Echo 620p is a good saw. The Husky 562, 560, 357, 262, Stihl 361, 362, 362cm and the Dolly 6100 are all stronger, lighter and better.

But for someone like you who know almost nothing about saws, the Echo is probably more than you will ever need [emoji1]

 

[KenJax Tree]

No, it is not hard to say. The Echo 620p is a good saw. The Husky 562, 560, 357, 262, Stihl 361, 362, 362cm and the Dolly 6100 are all stronger, lighter and better.

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[WVhunter]

Jeff,
I have owned my Husky 555 for a couple of years and cut a lot of firewood with it, really is a great saw, very dependable, tough built saw. I really like it a lot. I also think the ECHO is a good saw, I have a 600P and it is a great firewood saw as well. I am very pleased with both. Don't think he would disappointed with either. Good Luck.

 

[CapitaineHaddoc]

I'm sorry, I forgot Husky's red sisters...

 

[ArcticOverland]

Yes... I am bias... but the issues being claimed on 562's are MOSTLY catastrophic or a regular game of cat-and-mouse through a series of parts. Anyone else notice how Husky doesn't even have reviews on the site anymore?

Can I ask where you get the idea that faults on 562's are mostly catastrophic? Or is that just something you've heard or picked up around these and other parts? Because that's not what I hear, but I don't state it as fact. Gossip is for old women.

On the reviews point, well, I don't see much point in reading reviews on manufacturers website, or many dealers pages either. Most of them when you waste the time reading them are guys who bought them a week ago, or have run 2 tanks through them, yet feel it appropriate to jump online giving 5 stars and raving about the saw, or else they killed it with straight gas or not bothering to tension their chain before bringing it back and swapping it for another saw. I bet if you could follow some of these clowns you'd find them jumping from one brand to another and complaining about everything because they're not qualified to even think about running OPE, let alone giving a valid review!

 

[KenJax Tree]

The 562 problems reported on AS are very few and even smaller outside AS.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Weight:
Echo: 13lb 7oz Dolly: 13lb 4oz (The Echo comes standard with DD's and Mag clutch cover) Those are my weights from my scale. Real world not paper specs

Power:
Echo: 4.4hp on the Japanese site which is likely higher than the US version that is subject to EPA emissions Dolly: 4.5 hp

Speed:
Echo: 13,200 Dolly: 13,800 ????? not an important thing to compare. Loaded in the cut rpm is the important number and from my testing the 6100 was 2 seconds faster thru the same wood with the same chain so that equals a higher loaded rpm and that is the important number to compare

Echo 620P w/20" $649.99 Dolmar 6100 w/20" bar $574.95(quoted list prices for both so it was fair)

Bar length:
Echo: Up to 27" Dolly: Up to 20" dont think many people listen to what a manufacturer says for bar length.

They are 60cc saws.: 20-24" bar max for most people that run this size saw. If i need longer than a 20" bar I move up to an 80cc saw. Most of my logger/tree trimming customers run 20" bars on their 90+cc saws.

Shoot... my little sub-60cc 357xp is rated for as much HP in stock trim!! 357xp for the win!!! LOL!


Just ribbin' a little bit guys... don't kill me!

Really like my father-in-laws Dolly 6400, ESPECIALLY for what he paid for it new. IIRC he paid a smidge under $600 OTD... Dolmar definitely worth a close look. No experience with Echo, but dang if I'm not hearing alot of good things about them here.