Outer bark damage from logging

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headleyj

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So alot of trees on our place (right along the main trails) have the outer bark worn away from other trees/ machinery rubbing against it when they logged it.

- Is it best to take these trees down?
- If they bloom in the spring and look healthy throughout the season should you leave them and keep an eye on them?

I'm sure it all depends on the severity of the damage. Kinda common sense, but I don't want them to fall over one day but looked healthy for some reason.

Thanks,
Josh
 
Our state forestry makes us take out conifers that are damaged 1/3 or more the circumfrence for the tree. They seem to do ok with some damage, but I believe it makes them more suceptable to insects, etc.
How many is a lot of trees? Good loggers will leave a minimum number of skinned up trees.

Andy
 
Next time write it in the contract that damaged trees cost them triple stumpage.

I would have to see the site but a good operator DOES NOT damage leave trees.
 
I used to get the job of taking them out in top clearing operations for firewood. Foresters said even though they heal over, the butt log is no good and it will often lead to rotting of the tree. Every forester had me or the other operations I knew of take them out. They were never left standing.

Because you have so much other stuff to clean up right now (based on other posts) I would leave the damaged trees and only take them down if they do not leaf out. Then once you get everything else cleared up you can start taking those damaged ones out. You seem to be swimming in wood to deal with right now, no sense in messing with trees that are alive at the current time.

Another thing to consider is that if they got banged up this time that pretty much signals they are in a place where the skidder could not get them out easily. That is a pretty good sign that if you remove those trees, logging will be easier next time around.
 
great point everyone, thank you. Just to fill in a few blanks - the property was already logged when we saw it listed for sale, we did not hire the logging out.

I'd conservitaverly estimate 20 trees or so are skinned up. I have been keeping an eye on them - some are doing better than others - if they don't leaf out I will take them down.

Curly - yeah I've got a TON of work to do between cleaning up trails, skinned trees, etc.

I found out the fella who logged this clogged a few creeks up and flooded out a road in the bottoms - State was called in and he cleaned some of the creeks out to stop the road flooding - the more I learn, the more I wish I didn't know :) I've found bar/ chain oil containers, trash, tons of beer cans, etc from them - I think I've got all that cleaned up now though.....that's above ground atleast.
 
If you think you might have the property logged in the future, might be wise to leave them there. That way the next tree in doesnt get skinned up... just a thought.
 
If its only 20 trees on 20 acres its not a lot. Are trees along the main trails if they are id leave them for bumper trees.
 
If you think you might have the property logged in the future, might be wise to leave them there. That way the next tree in doesnt get skinned up... just a thought.

Very good point.

Another thought is if they aren't hurting anything now. Just "ring" them and let them die, drying on the stump and then use them for firewood later.

We always try to use "crap" trees as "turn" trees, but sometimes you have to do what you gotta do.

I prefer to remove the damaged trees and typically we will use a tree we know we are going to cut/want that way nothing is hurt or damaged that was going to stay.

That logger that logged that property was a jack leg, I hate people who litter.

I once contract cut for a guy in Iowa that wanted us to change the oil in his skidder. We got everything we needed oil, wrenchs, filter and when we asked for him to bring or get a drain bucket. He said just dump it on the ground ............. we all just about quit him, LOL. We were pissed at him for even suggesting it. We made him go into town just to buy a bucket.

Later,

Sam
 
I once contract cut for a guy in Iowa that wanted us to change the oil in his skidder. We got everything we needed oil, wrenchs, filter and when we asked for him to bring or get a drain bucket. He said just dump it on the ground ............. we all just about quit him, LOL. We were pissed at him for even suggesting it. We made him go into town just to buy a bucket.
Later,
Sam

Common winter practice with some of the dorks I was around would be that they would pull some sawdust from cutting butts at the landing into a pile. They would park the skidder or truck over it and let the oil drain into it. Then they would back the equipment away and light the oil to keep warm. They would also toss the filters onto the fire for that long burning effect. Nice smoky fire to keep them toasty. :dizzy:
 
Common winter practice with some of the dorks I was around would be that they would pull some sawdust from cutting butts at the landing into a pile. They would park the skidder or truck over it and let the oil drain into it. Then they would back the equipment away and light the oil to keep warm. They would also toss the filters onto the fire for that long burning effect. Nice smoky fire to keep them toasty. :dizzy:

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. So , whats wrong with that ???? You guys sound fairly left !!!!!!!! Ya know , they used to spray used oil on the dirt roads to keep the dust down ......... Ships used to dump bunkers on the sea to calm the water for boarding and lightering . We used to paint barns with creasote . We WERE the greatest nation on earth back then ..... Now we have loggers talking like environmentalists and we are nearly a bananna republic .:confused::confused:........ Log er clean and pave er flat boys ......
 
Excellent point

If its only 20 trees on 20 acres its not a lot. Are trees along the main trails if they are id leave them for bumper trees.

It would be wise to leave them if you plan on doing more work in the future. They will help prevent your skid trails from getting larger.
 
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. So , whats wrong with that ???? You guys sound fairly left !!!!!!!! Ya know , they used to spray used oil on the dirt roads to keep the dust down ......... Ships used to dump bunkers on the sea to calm the water for boarding and lightering . We used to paint barns with creasote . We WERE the greatest nation on earth back then ..... Now we have loggers talking like environmentalists and we are nearly a bananna republic .:confused::confused:........ Log er clean and pave er flat boys ......

Well, when one puts oil on the ground and burns it not all of it is burned, and when water goes through that dirt and it carries the oil to other places which may or may not be good.

Yeah we used to do a lot of things, then we learned that were were stupid. We used to dump solvents onto the ground and nobody thought it was a big deal. Then one day someone discovered hundreds of wells were contaminated with one of those solvents. Do you want to drink someone's toxic waste? How about I come over onto your land a dump a barrel or two of the stuff we generate at work. I am sure you won't mind.

Here is one toxic waste problem that starts about 2 miles from my house.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/hazardous/sites/washington/baytown/index.html
 
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Common winter practice with some of the dorks I was around would be that they would pull some sawdust from cutting butts at the landing into a pile. They would park the skidder or truck over it and let the oil drain into it. Then they would back the equipment away and light the oil to keep warm. They would also toss the filters onto the fire for that long burning effect. Nice smoky fire to keep them toasty. :dizzy:

Guys throw the filters in the fire to prevent a mess in the back of the crummy. I see most guys pick up the spent, burned cartriges :) There is always killer wood to burn on the landing, most guys have one burning somewhere in the vacinity in the winter. If no one is around chasing, perhaps next to a piece of equipment that is getting worked on, ect. You sound so shocked. Are you sure you were a logger? lol
 
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You sound so shocked. Are you sure you were a logger? lol

I wasn't a logger, I was an East Coast firewood woodchuck. They are a much lower subspecies. :)

I saw lots of rubbish fires on the landings for the guys to keep warm by. Logging never stops back where I come from, even 100" of snow will not keep guys out of the woods. I myself had some fires going when it was cold and that was exactly what ash trees are great for because they burn green.

But the dumping of the oil on the ground first and then trying to burn it was just not a good practice. It is not the logger's land to be polluting. I bet I can go to some of those landings 30 yearss after the fact and still find those burn pits because nothing grows on them. The woods behind my mom's house has one I can still see from the road it is so big, but that logger was a major tool. He let his equipment drip oil like it was free flowing.

I saw a few guys that burned some junk like oil but both of them had a pan they dragged around with them to put the fire in. They were smart to not let the oil run into the ground and thus not get the most BTUs out of it. They also burned used paint thinners and stuff like that. The pit just made it look like they cared about what they were doing but landowers liked that.

As woodcutters we are supposed to be good stewards of the land and all any enviromental whacko has to do is go up one of these burn piles and point out the oil and say "see, this is how much they care about the enviroment." Leaking equipment is another issue but that is not always up to the logger's control. But I have seen equipment dripping steady streams of oil out end as they pour good oil into the other. Two of the foresters I knew had a list of recommened loggers they liked to use, and both of those foresters paid attention to how the folks treated the landing (clean, organized, safe, no pollution/trash and most of all cleaned up when done), and the both also inspected the logger's equipment on a regular basis to see what state it was in (ie leaking oil and covered in gunk, etc). The loggers they worked with got some nice jobs in primo wood that other loggers never got a shot at, and it was because they were slobs.

One major furniture company in CNY that was known for buying cherry and maple logs and paying about 1.5X the normal going rates would not accept logs from loggers that did not run clean looking operations, or operations that trashed the woods with bad skidding practices. They considered the land that produced trees one of the things they needed to take care of because they had been in business for many, many decades, and they wanted to make sure the land would be there for them in the future. I heard they are still snobs, but they are still buying, 30 years later.
 

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