Rounded out my milling saw fleet today - 084 AVEQ

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I posted a thread over in the chainsaw forum already but I don't see some of you over there much so I thought I'd throw it up here too. Found this guy at the pawnshop for $450 today:

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As I said in the other thread I didn't really have the money to spend on it, but then again I didn't have an 084 either and that was the deciding factor.:clap::chainsaw: The saw has potential to make money to pay for itself, can't make money without it! Or at least that's how I'm rationalizing it to myself.:monkey: Anyway I'm going to take it for a test drive this afternoon (maybe a video if it works out) and then give it a good basic cleaning later on today. It's in amazing condition but hasn't been really well cleaned in a while.
 
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That is a nice clean saw, even if the bar has some wear, it still has most all the paint and nice in itself...that is one nice saw! :cheers:

Get it cleaned up and cutting good!
 
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Yes it is a good thing you rounded out your collection. I was noticing that you don't have very many saws, LOL.

Hey, now you don't need the 090 b/c you have another big saw and not enough big wood up in the interiour to cut. So you can sell the 090 to me :clap: .

Good job on the 084.
 
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Heh, I'll have room for the 090 here for a long time to come. If I ever get a new case that isn't broken at all you can have my old case though!


I didn't really need the 084, but I often find myself in a situation where I could really benefit from a couple more ponies than the 066 or 395 have, but it really wouldn't be practical to haul out the 090 for the job. The 084 should fill that position quite well.

The problem now is that I have a milling saw that's pretty and valuable enough to worry about taking extra care of in the field.
 
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keeping up with Brad

That Brad, always pulling neat chainsaws out of dumpsters. :chainsaw:

But, I may be joining the 084 club, too.
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$400 + $25 shipping, sight unseen except for the fuzzy photos. Seller was listing the saw for his dad and didn't seem to know much about it.

The pitch I don't know but its a 38" bar which is pretty new the saws only problem is it sat foot along time there are very few hours on it I had to clean it up and go through it get all the old gas out she fired right up good runner

I won't uncork the champagne until it arrives intact and gets checked out thoroughly.
 
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Brmorgan said:
I didn't really need the 084, but I often find myself in a situation where I could really benefit from a couple more ponies than the 066 or 395 have......
The problem now is that I have a milling saw that's pretty and valuable enough to worry about taking extra care of in the field.
:agree2:

Not sure how often I'll actually use my 084 (assuming it turns out to be a keeper). In theory, a strong 066 is all I need for my 18" - 24" softwoods, especially if the lo-pro chain works out. But, if I continue to be dissatisfied with the 066's compression, or if the occasionally monster tree comes along, it'll be nice to have the 084.

Besides, Brad has one, so I gotta have one, too.:laugh:
 
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Not sure how often I'll actually use my 084 (assuming it turns out to be a keeper). In theory, a strong 066 is all I need for my 18" - 24" softwoods, especially if the lo-pro chain works out.

Too bad the bar mounts don't match up or you could use the 084 on your lo-pro setup. Really though, why even use the 066 for a milling application when you have the 084 now?
 
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I just had visions of an 084 tearing a lopro chain apart :cheers:

I really don't see why? So long as you don't suddenly hit anything in the wood that overstresses the chain, it would take a lot of force to just rip the chain links apart. You could run a 9-pin sprocket would also reduce the amount of availible torque if breakage becomes a problem.

Especially if you using it in <30" diameter softwoods, I don't get why it'd be much differant than that power on 3/8" chain.
 
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Too bad the bar mounts don't match up or you could use the 084 on your lo-pro setup. Really though, why even use the 066 for a milling application when you have the 084 now?

Heheheh...I DO happen to have a 25" .050ga ROLLER NOSE bar downstairs that is in large Stihl mount. My old friend originally gave it to me for the 090 but I've never gotten around to mounting it up with a chain. DON'T TEMPT ME!!!! LOL. I'm pretty sure it would be a different DL count than the 25" sprocket-nose bars I have, but I do plan on checking it out. I do have a few spare inches of brand-new LP chain that I could add to one of the old LP milling chains if I needed to, and new tie straps should the reverse be necessary. It WILL be tried eventually, but I'd really like to get a 3/8" 33-36" bar going for it. I have two spare 33" bars for the big Huskies - I'm considering giving one to my machinist neighbor to see if he could mill the mount groove out to 14mm for me. I could probably do it with a carbide burr on the die grinder but it would take a long time and not look as good. If my neighbor can do it, I'm going to see if he can machine me an adapter so I can still use it with the Huskies. I have a 12mm Stihl bar adapter that works pretty well, but I've never seen a 14mm one.

As for not using the 066 anymore, it'll still see just as much use for slabbing boards from cants. There's no way I could justify a saw this big for a 6-8-10" etc. cut and I doubt it would really be that much faster in small, soft wood like that. The saw that is apt to sit idle a fair bit now is the Husky 395XP, though more likely it will find a semi-permanent home on the vertical mill jig.

If that's the case, my ideal loadout for a day's milling would be:

Ported 371XP for falling, bucking, and limbing most trees, clearing trails, etc.
Rebuilt Meteor 066 for slabbing etc. under 20"
Muffler modded 395XP for the vertical mill and/or falling and bucking large trees
084AV on the 36" Alaskan for bigger cuts
And of course, if there's room, the 090 just in case.

Not sure I could really improve on that very much at this point, which is why I said I "rounded out" my saws.:greenchainsaw: I've gotten to love the 371 so much I really don't have much use for anything smaller anymore.

Hey doesn't aggiewood use that setup, 084 and lopro????

I know Aggie was quite a proponent of .325 chain at one time, but he hasn't been around here much lately so I'm not sure.

I really don't see why? So long as you don't suddenly hit anything in the wood that overstresses the chain, it would take a lot of force to just rip the chain links apart. You could run a 9-pin sprocket would also reduce the amount of availible torque if breakage becomes a problem.

Especially if you using it in <30" diameter softwoods, I don't get why it'd be much different than that power on 3/8" chain.

That's how I feel - as long as I don't hit anything and keep it well maintained, I don't see it being a big problem. Heck, I hit a couple 1/8" dia. nails with the lo-pro on my 066 at WOT, and it survived just fine (after a fair bit of filing anyway). Not sure if I'd go out to a 30" cut with it or not, but 20" works really well. The problem I worry about more is stretching, especially with 33% more saw pulling it. I do want a 9-pin 3/8 sprocket quite badly; originally for the 090 to get its chain speed up a bit, but it would be interesting to play with on this 084 as well.
 
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The biggest I can afford, really. I really want a 60" or so for some big Firs I have my eye on, but I don't have the scratch for one of those right now. A 42" would be nice to max out the capacity of my 36" Alaskan, if nothing else. Still pretty spendy even for those though!
 
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Heheheh...I DO happen to have a 25" .050ga ROLLER NOSE bar downstairs that is in large Stihl mount. My old friend originally gave it to me for the 090 but I've never gotten around to mounting it up with a chain.

Sounds like your pretty much set. We milled up a smaller 20" fir piece last night using the MS880, sat at close to the limiter for most of the cuts with an 8-pin and 3/8".

I've also switched from using the 56cc saw for edging to the 85cc one. For the bit of extra fuel it uses, the bigger saw just cruises through those cuts. I'd like a bar like that 25" .050 that you have in the larger mount. That on the 880 would make easy work of quartersawing planks.
 
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Sounds like your pretty much set. We milled up a smaller 20" fir piece last night using the MS880, sat at close to the limiter for most of the cuts with an 8-pin and 3/8".

I've also switched from using the 56cc saw for edging to the 85cc one. For the bit of extra fuel it uses, the bigger saw just cruises through those cuts. I'd like a bar like that 25" .050 that you have in the larger mount. That on the 880 would make easy work of quartersawing planks.

I don't believe this 084 has a limiter of any sort...:clap: At least it didn't act like it when I started fiddling with the H jet anyway.

I don't bother using ~50cc for edging anymore either. The 371 doesn't weigh much more really, and is a much nicer saw to use than any 50cc I have, given its porting, the inboard clutch, awesome AV...
 
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I looked at it tonight, and the 25" Cannon roller-nose bar I have is going to need quite a few more links than the 84DL chains I have for the 12mm-mount 25" Stihl bars. I'll probably go pick a chain up for it tomorrow as I have a couple logs all lined up ready to be milled out back. I did try fitting a low-pro chain in it and the rails are still nice and tight for .050 - I haven't decided if I'll go with standard semi-chisel or low-profile. I'm not convinced I'd notice a big difference in speed going to low-profile on a 121cc powerhead in <20" of wood though, and the cutters on standard chain wear a lot better, so I'm leaning that way right now. It'll chew up a bit more wood in the kerf, but not enough to really matter much.
 
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