Full Cord on an F-250

[CRThomas]

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you are comparing apples to oranges here gmc 6500 vs 1/2 to 1 ton pickup BIG difference i mean the rear end in that truck weighs as much as an entire pickup truck so your comparison is irrelavant I mean your saying you can put 5 ton of wood on your truck whoopty frikindue what does that have to do with the topic of the thread concerning a f250 being able to handle a full cord? we are not saying its good for the truck we are saying it CAN and HAS been done. its like a tree service that only owns a f350 or f450 chip truck buying a 18" chipper yes you can tow it yes you can chip into the truck but why? your only gonna fill the truck up in 5 min but again yes it can be done

and fyi if your truck is 16000 trailer 3000 tractor 4000 and wood 10000 you are over
weight... 16+10=26000+ tounge weight of trailer =over your 26K plates amd youi say you dont push your trucks to its limit!

My trailer all so has 16000 lb plates on it. I am trying to get a cross some people read your loads. They run out and buy a pickup and say I am going to haul loads like he does every day and make a killing. I have been in the wood business for 30 plus years and I have learned the hard way. There people in my area that have yards full of trucks they tried to haul loads day after day. It's 200 miles round trip to scrap yard. It 80 miles to the chip mill. I just don't want a new by that did not read the message you put out wrong and get his self in a problem. I don't know if your equipment run year round or just part time my equipment is on the road year round. We just had a big storm go thru I will be on the road for a solid week. I run into job to big for me and I tell them call MacCallisters. They got trees in there yard laying on the ground that are taller than me 6 feet. My big truck gross weight is 30000 lb but I only lic. It to 26000 to stay under CDL lic. In Illinois you have to have a plate on each truck and trailer. The state hasn't said I have to put lic plate on my tractor and fork lift yet. I have wore out enough pickup trucks to start a used truck lot by wrong judgement on my part. The firewood business is a tuff busines. I only sell bundled firewood. Right now in the area I live in firewood is selling for $20.00 to $25.00. I went up state and bought a cord of split and seasoned for $50.00 and guy thanked me. I said why you thanking me you done me a favor. He said my kids don't have lunch money for next week. he said the firewood business has gone terrible. I talk to another fellow said he get $60.00 a rank I said selling lot he selling none. I am the only fellow in this area that sells bundled firewood except my buddy across the river and he sells it at the end of his drive way he sells oak I had some I was going to push over the bank he was out of seasoned wood I give him a load ask how he was doing he make about a $100.00 to $150.00 a week. Ok glad you doing all right it pays the light and gas bill. I told him I had some more over there in the pile he could help his sell I would but I am swamped now.

 

[l3lue]

Full Cord on a half ton Chevy

Back in 1982 I had a 1973 half ton Chevy with side racks and I put one ton back springs on it , I use to hull a full cord with it a lot of the time. My neighbor had loged off some of his land and a year later I got to sale the tops for fire wood. Took me 6 months to cut them all up, In that time I made a lot of trips in and out of the woods and to deliver and never had problem with the truck! As for it being overloaded with a full cord on it? Yes sure it was but at that time I never even knew there was such a thing as a weight limit on a truck ...lol

As for the price of a cord of wood? I just bought a cord of seasoned all oak for $120 last week!

So can it be done YES
l3lue

 

[l3lue]

Back in 1982 I had a 1973 half ton Chevy with side racks and I put one ton back springs on it , I use to hull a full cord with it a lot of the time. My neighbor had loged off some of his land and a year later I got to sale the tops for fire wood. Took me 6 months to cut them all up, In that time I made a lot of trips in and out of the woods and to deliver and never had problem with the truck! As for it being overloaded with a full cord on it? Yes sure it was but at that time I never even knew there was such a thing as a weight limit on a truck ...lol

As for the price of a cord of wood? I just bought a cord of seasoned all oak for $120 last week!

So can it be done YES
l3lue

Oh yes the guy that deliverd it drove a ford so he had to use a trailer ....lol
l3lue
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[Dale]

Nice avatar btw cnice.

ummmmmm... yeah. I pretty much stopped reading the thread once i seen the avatar.

 

[CJ1]

Yes sure seems like you have had different results. I have never seen a chevy sag too much with a load on her, or from a plow. I would just wonder if you had the plow setup on the chevy's you bought? I stole this pic from another guy on here showing a good load on his hd 3/4 chevy with a dirtymax

I don't seem to see any sagging? Now as far as fuel mileage and using it as a truck, they are all pretty much the same. You load them to the nuts and they suck fuel period. That is why my truck does not move unless it is to haul, tow, or work. I would love to see the pic of 5k in back of a F250. It takes all kinds I just prefer to be well dressed with the bow-tie

I ordered all my GM trucks with the plow package. The Ford was taken off the lot so no option for a plow package, not availible with the diesel in 01 anyway and the truck does not need it. As far as pics I can get you 1 with it set up as my plow rig with 1" plate steel mounts in the back and that is only 2k in weight. with the plow on the front axle scales in at 5600 pounds the back at 5200 pounds. The truck drives like it is not even loaded and I still get better than 8 mpg plowing. As soon as the weather breaks I'll be building a fireplace and get you some pics with 5k+ in the back. In all honesty the Fords are just heavier built. I just sold a D3 Cat dozer and tripple axle gooseneck trailer that I used to haul, over 22k dozer/trailer weight and the Ford did considerably better than my GM's hauling it. I'll agree 100% the GM's ride better on the road but when it comes to work I'll take the Superdutys. CJ

 

[mayhem100]

Based on the price, he's talking face cords.

 

[EXCALIBER]

I ordered all my GM trucks with the plow package. The Ford was taken off the lot so no option for a plow package, not availible with the diesel in 01 anyway and the truck does not need it. As far as pics I can get you 1 with it set up as my plow rig with 1" plate steel mounts in the back and that is only 2k in weight. with the plow on the front axle scales in at 5600 pounds the back at 5200 pounds. The truck drives like it is not even loaded and I still get better than 8 mpg plowing. As soon as the weather breaks I'll be building a fireplace and get you some pics with 5k+ in the back. In all honesty the Fords are just heavier built. I just sold a D3 Cat dozer and tripple axle gooseneck trailer that I used to haul, over 22k dozer/trailer weight and the Ford did considerably better than my GM's hauling it. I'll agree 100% the GM's ride better on the road but when it comes to work I'll take the Superdutys. CJ

I am sorry, but I do have to laugh, you ford guys always give me a chuckle. Yes your truck drives like it is not loaded with the plow and some weight in the back, because it is not loaded. Dad's dirtymax is rated for over 7000lbs in just payload! So of course your not loaded at 4K on the whole truck. I am sorry but I do have to smile and chuckle yet again at your over 22k with trailer and dozer combined, like you have just climbed Mt Everest. I personally would not consider that a heavy load, rather the national average. As I stated our trucks don't move unless loaded. Here is my last scale ticket from dad's duramax and tandem axle dually trailer with a load of cement railroad ties. Oh and on mileage loaded like this I get 12-13mpg, unloaded 17-19 depending on wind ect.

So take your 22k add the weight of your truck with the plow and weights in back on that trailer and pull it around. Now you are only up to my load weight so add the 8k trailer to that equation. I had no problem getting to highway speeds as normal and no problem stopping. Actually with the Allison auto tranny I didn't even have to use the brakes on 6% grades. I just let off the pedal and let the engine braking do the work, kept it right at 65. Keep in mind this truck is just getting broke in though, just over 200K miles. Each person has their own idea of what truck is best, however I just use my trucks harder and longer than your average Joe. I am also willing to show why I choose GM over Ford, head to head, and have taken more than one persons lunch money.

Here is a pic of what I routinely haul with my bow-tie half ton's. I see guys on here with one ton Fords hauling less weight and wood and still squating more than I would care for. By the way this is over a full cord of wood just on the trailer, close to a cord and a half. I don't have any pics of just the truck with the stock rack loaded as of yet. I will try to remember to take one next time.

 

[CRThomas]

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Based on the price, he's talking face cords.

I am glad I don't mistreat my equipment like that. But I guess you have to do what you have to do to make a buck. All this wood you put on these truck do you burn it or sell it. Guy on here talk about burning 20 cords a year. That would a full time job.

 

[Big_Al]

I had an 85 ranger with 8 ft side racks that I could load to the top with green oak and tow a 22 ft flatbed with a Chevy/dodge diesel dually that had 2 more cords on it and my ranger didn't squat a bit. Blah , blah , blah. And my dad can beat up your dad.

 

[SS396driver]

Yes I would say hauling little loads like that you will probably never see a problem, considering I believe the payload on your truck is around 4000lbs from the manufacturer. Now considering how the lawyers have made massive underrating on every thing for a safety margin, you are not even working the truck. I haul probably close to the 3400 lbs in back of my half ton, if not more. I would say a load on a 3/4 ton or larger truck is around 6-8K or more. Hauling gravel your tailgate is probably closed thus helping strengthen the box sides. Try this cut some rounds, leave your tailgate down, and load about 4K of round on your box then drive down a little dirt road with some small bumps and then try to close your tailgate. I have found you can't get it closed due to the box spreading several inches. I had a friend with one and if we loaded log lengths we had to put a ratchet strap on the box side to hold them from spreading. Not sure how the brand new dodges are with this problem. I do like some of the interior designs on the dodges though, and the older cummins engines except for the noise.

I have had rounds of green oak in the bed overhanging the tailgate loaded with my Kabota loader . I would say 2/3 to 3/4 of a cord didnt bother the bed maybe the 2nd generation trucks had a problem. Mine is one of the last of the 5.9s

 

[MtnHermit]

That's Mt Princeton, see it almost every day.

 

[4seasons]

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My trailer all so has 16000 lb plates on it. I am trying to get a cross some people read your loads. They run out and buy a pickup and say I am going to haul loads like he does every day and make a killing. I have been in the wood business for 30 plus years and I have learned the hard way. There people in my area that have yards full of trucks they tried to haul loads day after day. It's 200 miles round trip to scrap yard. It 80 miles to the chip mill. I just don't want a new by that did not read the message you put out wrong and get his self in a problem. I don't know if your equipment run year round or just part time my equipment is on the road year round. We just had a big storm go thru I will be on the road for a solid week. I run into job to big for me and I tell them call MacCallisters. They got trees in there yard laying on the ground that are taller than me 6 feet. My big truck gross weight is 30000 lb but I only lic. It to 26000 to stay under CDL lic. In Illinois you have to have a plate on each truck and trailer. The state hasn't said I have to put lic plate on my tractor and fork lift yet. I have wore out enough pickup trucks to start a used truck lot by wrong judgement on my part. The firewood business is a tuff busines. I only sell bundled firewood. Right now in the area I live in firewood is selling for $20.00 to $25.00. I went up state and bought a cord of split and seasoned for $50.00 and guy thanked me. I said why you thanking me you done me a favor. He said my kids don't have lunch money for next week. he said the firewood business has gone terrible. I talk to another fellow said he get $60.00 a rank I said selling lot he selling none. I am the only fellow in this area that sells bundled firewood except my buddy across the river and he sells it at the end of his drive way he sells oak I had some I was going to push over the bank he was out of seasoned wood I give him a load ask how he was doing he make about a $100.00 to $150.00 a week. Ok glad you doing all right it pays the light and gas bill. I told him I had some more over there in the pile he could help his sell I would but I am swamped now.

Am I really drunk or did that read like gibberish to anyone else too?

 

[l3lue]

I'm not sure ! Theres a few lines there I don't understand , But i think he's trying to be helpfull :hmm3grin2orange:
, l3lue

 

[chopperfreak2k1]

I am sorry, but I do have to laugh, you ford guys always give me a chuckle. Yes your truck drives like it is not loaded with the plow and some weight in the back, because it is not loaded. Dad's dirtymax is rated for over 7000lbs in just payload! So of course your not loaded at 4K on the whole truck. I am sorry but I do have to smile and chuckle yet again at your over 22k with trailer and dozer combined, like you have just climbed Mt Everest. I personally would not consider that a heavy load, rather the national average. As I stated our trucks don't move unless loaded. Here is my last scale ticket from dad's duramax and tandem axle dually trailer with a load of cement railroad ties. Oh and on mileage loaded like this I get 12-13mpg, unloaded 17-19 depending on wind ect.

So take your 22k add the weight of your truck with the plow and weights in back on that trailer and pull it around. Now you are only up to my load weight so add the 8k trailer to that equation. I had no problem getting to highway speeds as normal and no problem stopping. Actually with the Allison auto tranny I didn't even have to use the brakes on 6% grades. I just let off the pedal and let the engine braking do the work, kept it right at 65. Keep in mind this truck is just getting broke in though, just over 200K miles. Each person has their own idea of what truck is best, however I just use my trucks harder and longer than your average Joe. I am also willing to show why I choose GM over Ford, head to head, and have taken more than one persons lunch money.

Here is a pic of what I routinely haul with my bow-tie half ton's. I see guys on here with one ton Fords hauling less weight and wood and still squating more than I would care for. By the way this is over a full cord of wood just on the trailer, close to a cord and a half. I don't have any pics of just the truck with the stock rack loaded as of yet. I will try to remember to take one next time.

man i wanted to rep you for this but i gotta spread it around...

someone rep this man for me!!!

 

[Steve NW WI]

My trailer all so has 16000 lb plates on it. (snip) My big truck gross weight is 30000 lb but I only lic. It to 26000 to stay under CDL lic. In Illinois you have to have a plate on each truck and trailer. The state hasn't said I have to put lic plate on my tractor and fork lift yet.

CR, you have 3 choices:

1. Get your CDL
2. Get a smaller truck
3. Pray you never get pulled over by IDOT.

From here: Who needs a CDL License?

Any combination of vehicles with a Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, providing the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.

This means your truck, with a 30K GVW, regardless of registration, is a Commercial vehicle. Your 14,000 lb trailer also means you need a Class A CDL, same as a tractor trailer driver needs.

These rules are the same from state to state, CDL is uniform across the country. EXCALIBER, note that your Dad's truck fell under CDL requirements that day on the scale ticket, because although not noted in the above quoted page, it is actually the higher of GVWR, actual weight, or registered weight.

(To others who find CR hard to read, you're not alone. I take the time because I've learned a lot from guys that knew what they were talking about but lacked the schooling to convey it well.)

 

[bcorradi]

Never really realized...but I'd like to see Exaclibur take that load down the road at 60mph. Pickup box trailers are ok for hauling moderate weight, but I'd hate to see how that trails down the highway. I have a 5'x10' trailer I have loaded with a cord plus down the highway with green wood along with my box full, but I would hate to pull that contraption down the highway at highway speeds.

 

[CRThomas]

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CR, you have 3 choices:

1. Get your CDL
2. Get a smaller truck
3. Pray you never get pulled over by IDOT.

From here: Who needs a CDL License?


This means your truck, with a 30K GVW, regardless of registration, is a Commercial vehicle. Your 14,000 lb trailer also means you need a Class A CDL, same as a tractor trailer driver needs.



These rules are the same from state to state, CDL is uniform across the country. EXCALIBER, note that your Dad's truck fell under CDL requirements that day on the scale ticket, because although not noted in the above quoted page, it is actually the higher of GVWR, actual weight, or registered weight.



(To others who find CR hard to read, you're not alone. I take the time because I've learned a lot from guys that knew what they were talking about but lacked the schooling to convey it well.)

I go thru the Illinois , Ky , Mo, scales and check stations proble 2 to 3 times a week. Remember I only haul my own stuff. When I deliver for sale I use my small truck with 30 bundles on it. All I am required to do is have my name and town on my trucks and not for hire. This was mandated by Mr Todd Illinois spring field DOT commander. Later I am not going to by a half ton pickup to see if I can haul more wood than the next fellow. My business nets me over $200.000.00 a year and I am staying on my tract.

 

[EXCALIBER]

CR, you have 3 choices:

1. Get your CDL
2. Get a smaller truck
3. Pray you never get pulled over by IDOT.

From here: Who needs a CDL License?


This means your truck, with a 30K GVW, regardless of registration, is a Commercial vehicle. Your 14,000 lb trailer also means you need a Class A CDL, same as a tractor trailer driver needs.

These rules are the same from state to state, CDL is uniform across the country. EXCALIBER, note that your Dad's truck fell under CDL requirements that day on the scale ticket, because although not noted in the above quoted page, it is actually the higher of GVWR, actual weight, or registered weight.

(To others who find CR hard to read, you're not alone. I take the time because I've learned a lot from guys that knew what they were talking about but lacked the schooling to convey it well.)

True, although I will mention, in Nebraska and I am sure many states you can say these three magical words that will null and void all legal requirements. For Farm Use. Heck they allow everything here if you say its for a farm. You can overload your semi way past 80k and they won't even look your way. No such thing as having to cover your load or be under any legal weight. Also just because you are over 26k and need a cdl does not make your truck, trailer, or load commercial, only that you need a commercial cdl. It does get confusing. I personally think they need to redo the limits as anymore, it is easy to go past 26k when your truck and trailer weight in at 15000 lbs, and your trailer is rated for 22000 lbs. As trucks get bigger and more hp they need to update the stats on the cdl requirements to accommodate.

 

[EXCALIBER]

Never really realized...but I'd like to see Exaclibur take that load down the road at 60mph. Pickup box trailers are ok for hauling moderate weight, but I'd hate to see how that trails down the highway. I have a 5'x10' trailer I have loaded with a cord plus down the highway with green wood along with my box full, but I would hate to pull that contraption down the highway at highway speeds.

It pulls fine although I do not use it for very long trips, and stay around 55MPH. I should spring for a set of shocks for it, and some 31x12 tires, but I am just too cheap I guess. If I have a bigger load to haul I just take my heavy half ton chevy with a little bigger box trailer, and it pulls fine too. Same thing though I don't go over 55MPH in it either. Actually not supposed to exceed 50MPH in it, longer trips I steal dads crew cab dually duramax and goose-neck flatbed and haul down the road.

 

[logbutcher]

EX:
Though we do not approve of white pickups ( certainly not permitted in most non-urban regions :frown, the use of a Duece and one-half makes up for the lack of taste.:hmm3grin2orange:

Are white pickups a midewestern thing ?