Simonized saws.

[Westboastfaller]

A lot of people run a Simonized 372 and compared to other saws that were built for falling hard woods with a 28" it lacked torque.

Gologit has been falling in northern Cali longer than half of us have been alive.

Other saws? Its hard to disambiguate when the info is not there!
(I know that's a big word for a wood bug like me) lol
I mean are you talkin' 65mm 135 cc 090... could you get more pacific? lol. 50mm Non domer ?
As far as the rest , the quote I grabbed of Gologit's didn't include the part about other day in day out saws that were said as quicker (in smaller wood) not sure if he said it of not.
I purposely loosely said what "guys are saying" but that's my take on it.
If I was to say that there was other faster saws I would certainly bother two say what diameter of wood, in all fairness, considering people wanted more info about the OPs ability.
That would/could be misleading for applications.
its an unfair 'representation' I'm also not discrediting ability
if someone was well rounded in falling redwoods in the 70s for argumentsake it doesn't mean they have lots of theory and that's a fact. I know plenty of fallers that have been at it 20-25 yrs and can file and put on a bar, clean a filter and change a plug and are some of the best big would fallers in industry
but they don't know F* all about theory but they could school me in the first growth wet belt.

 

[mdavlee]

Other 372s that I've run. Simons saw was middle of the pack saw out of the 25 that was there that day. 50mm bores with flat tops and some pop ups. I've seen 372s with 32" full comp cut hardwoods faster than several 066/660s that we're ported also. The strongest running saws were flat tops if I remember right with windowless pistons. I windowed one piston for a 372 and another I didn't and the one without was stronger but didn't like to rev as good. Same pop up and timing numbers.

 

[Westboastfaller]

If you like a light saw that pulls a 32 or 36 fine ,one of Randy's 461's will put a smile on your face

It's actually in the back of my pickup right now ,so yes I have taken the top end off the 460 ,and put it on a 440 bottom end though ,i like those chassis better ,little more nimble feeling ,easier to throw around

howdy neighbor! I can see you house from here..lol

I have a rebuilt bottom end and was looking for a BB kit as I have a 272 flat top for it I don't have time to order one, it takes a couple of weeks , there is a place you can order from here but
you can't talk to anybody and my buddy ordered some that were supposed to be in stock on the island yet it took 3 weeks to the lower mainland...not cool. or a worked 50mm would be great
if I had one does Simon have a # ?I think he posted one at the beginning of this thread but it sounded like it was a middle man dealer? rather talk to the horses mouth. maybe he's listed I haven't checked yet.

Yeah I just checked out that 461 and I'm seriously thinking about swapping over and buying two of them to keep things compatible. Can you still go up to the 54 mm on them
what's with pollution control and it been 20 more fuel efficient?
can they still be hoped up the same? its just 2 OZ heavily.
its also says it has an improved anti vibe as well but it looks like rubber mounts still? I could never get use to that style of full wrap after many years of Husqvarna but I see that I can get an aftermarket wrap that it is closed like the husky.
it just throw me of my game with smaller bars I spin it quick and catch it coming from my undercut to my back and have forget that its an open handlebar and drop the tip in the dirt, its an eerie feeling like I'm going to lop my hand off.
so I'm scared of it old habits are hard to break man

 

[mdavlee]

A 461 worked over by randy will pull a 32-36" nicely. Nicest power band in a work saw I've run.

 

[Firewood Fanatic]

Other 372s that I've run. Simons saw was middle of the pack saw out of the 25 that was there that day. 50mm bores with flat tops and some pop ups. I've seen 372s with 32" full comp cut hardwoods faster than several 066/660s that we're ported also. The strongest running saws were flat tops if I remember right with windowless pistons. I windowed one piston for a 372 and another I didn't and the one without was stronger but didn't like to rev as good. Same pop up and timing numbers.

I thought Simon placed 4th at the 372 saw build off??

 

[Trx250r180]

Big bore kits are junk in my opinion.the factory 461 jug worked over will hang with a worked over 660.the wraps on the new stihls are roomier on the rh side now.feel similar to a full wrap.I have a worked over aftermarket meteor 460 jug on a 440 .it took a lot of extra work to get the power of the OEM jug.the 461 has the grunt tostop and go in a fir tree falling without falling off on power

 

[mdavlee]

I thought Simon placed 4th at the 372 saw build off??

He did but several saws were stronger but luck of the draw on the wood slowed them down. I run it and tree monkeys saw back to back and no comparison Scott's was hands down stronger as was Terry's, EC, treeslinger, and others.

 

[Brush Ape]

He did but several saws were stronger but luck of the draw on the wood slowed them down. I run it and tree monkeys saw back to back and no comparison Scott's was hands down stronger as was Terry's, EC, treeslinger, and others.

What do you go by then? If you don't have a dyno and you don't have consistent wood as a control to measure timed cuts no offence Mike but that's a little subjective.

 

[mdavlee]

What do you go by then? If you don't have a dyno and you don't have consistent wood as a control to measure timed cuts no offence Mike but that's a little subjective.

We'll they had 5 logs and combined cut time with the lowest a winner. Afterward any one could run them and there were a few that stood out that day. Simons wasn't one.

 

[Firewood Fanatic]

I was cutting a 42" Douglas Fir(old growth) last week with one of Simon's 372's he built for me. I was running my 33" Tsumura bar, full skip. It cut that thing like butter, fast, lot's of torque, couldn't bog it down. The only problem I have is that all 372's have trouble oiling a bar that length, just need to get the oil slinging between cuts. With the 28" Cannon on it it isn't a problem. My take on this is that all these guys build great work saws, so who cares about 1/10ths of a second between cut times??? If Simon was building a mediocre saw that didn't last the fallers here on the coast wouldn't be using them for very long, and from what I have heard Simon has worked on 100's if not 1000's of saws up here.

 

[mdavlee]

I was cutting a 42" Douglas Fir(old growth) last week with one of Simon's 372's he built for me. I was running my 33" Tsumura bar, full skip. It cut that thing like butter, fast, lot's of torque, couldn't bog it down. The only problem I have is that all 372's have trouble oiling a bar that length, just need to get the oil slinging between cuts. With the 28" Cannon on it it isn't a problem. My take on this is that all these guys build great work saws, so who cares about 1/10ths of a second between cut times??? If Simon was building a mediocre saw that didn't last the fallers here on the coast wouldn't be using them for very long, and from what I have heard Simon has worked on 100's if not 1000's of saws up here.

I'm not saying he builds a bad saw. There's just others that build much stronger ones.

Get the parts from a 385/390 oiler and put them in your housing. If I remember right they're the same housing just different internals.

 

[Firewood Fanatic]

I'm not saying he builds a bad saw. There's just others that build much stronger ones.

Get the parts from a 385/390 oiler and put them in your housing. If I remember right they're the same housing just different internals.

Sounds like a great idea.

 

[Firewood Fanatic]

Here is my biggest saw, the "simonized" 372 can't touch this one!!!!

http://sawmilltrader.com/viewad.asp?s=backyard-bandsaw-mills-canada&id=50272354577101217

 

[blsnelling]

I was cutting a 42" Douglas Fir(old growth) last week with one of Simon's 372's he built for me. I was running my 33" Tsumura bar, full skip. It cut that thing like butter, fast, lot's of torque, couldn't bog it down. The only problem I have is that all 372's have trouble oiling a bar that length, just need to get the oil slinging between cuts. With the 28" Cannon on it it isn't a problem. My take on this is that all these guys build great work saws, so who cares about 1/10ths of a second between cut times??? If Simon was building a mediocre saw that didn't last the fallers here on the coast wouldn't be using them for very long, and from what I have heard Simon has worked on 100's if not 1000's of saws up here.

ANY work saw can be bogged down, even a ported 3120, or 880.

 

[Westboastfaller]

there are a few of us on here that are far from being a rookie in being a faller. if you stick around a while you'll find out whom they are . gologits question was a valid one . no mater where you go there are local hero's that build a saw good. and most folks stick with the local hero because they don't know of others that build. or are blinded by rooting for the local hero. chill on some of the comments till you know. ...... and welcome to the site.

thanks for the welcoming, just here to have fun and meat some cool people that share the same passion.
along with some banters and yes some will be controversial I'm sure.
One thing I learned long ago in life is;
"There's always someone tougher with a bigger you know what!
"A professional faller learns every day"

 

[Firewood Fanatic]

ANY work saw can be bogged down, even a ported 3120, or 880.

Well of course all saws can be bogged down, dog it it and torque on it will kill any saw. Simon's saws will cut wood this size with WOT, letting the saw feed itself with a sharp chain without losing tons of rpm in the cut. I have yet to see a stock 272 or 372 do that running a long bar in big wood, and I have run em stock for almost 20 years. I actually had my doubts about it cutting that well in such a big fir, but I was impressed!!!

 

[Westboastfaller]

"Fallers don't care about physics, they care about production, reliability, and integrity. They get paid by how much wood they put on the ground."


Wh..wha.. what faller don't care about physics
Simon simon simon...why would we care about
triviel things like matter engegy motion and force ...or living!
ok maybe you are talking about the internal physics of a combustion engine.
Btw we don't bushel for our raw but the prime has a guota
thats expected on an overall average.
Alaska used to and the compo was 30% on the dollar as for back as '94 that I know of.

 

[RiverRat2]

We'll they had 5 logs and combined cut time with the lowest a winner. Afterward any one could run them and there were a few that stood out that day. Simons wasn't one.

Hey Mike FWIW I still have that saw And have not run it much at all since that event, (It may have 18-20 tanks through it now) a few weeks back We had a job to remove/grind some big pecan stumps on a property and I used it to split/block/noodle some of the 48+" buttress flared rounds to make them more manageable for the splitter, I put the 28" B&C combo back on it, anyways when I was checking it out/warming it up I noticed it was not oiling very well, I flipped it over and found the oiler set @ about 1/2 output, before that event it came new with a 24. And at the time of the event Simon had it tuned pretty fat and had told me after 25 tanks I should lean it out to get full potential. I haven't gotten to that point to try tweaking the tune yet. Cranking up the oiler sure helped the B&C out

Other 372s that I've run. Simons saw was middle of the pack saw out of the 25 that was there that day. 50mm bores with flat tops and some pop ups. I've seen 372s with 32" full comp cut hardwoods faster than several 066/660s that we're ported also. The strongest running saws were flat tops if I remember right with windowless pistons. I windowed one piston for a 372 and another I didn't and the one without was stronger but didn't like to rev as good.
Same pop up and timing numbers.

Sorry Mike, just wondering about your math,,,, his saw finished 4th??? how is that the middle out of 25????

 

[mdavlee]

Good to see you around Rick

I thought it finished lower than that. Eric's and Terrys were in the middle with mine. Its been what 3 years since we were all hiding under shelter trying to stay dry?

 

[RiverRat2]

Good to see you around Rick

Thanks Mike,,, I've been so swamped at my day job I haven't had a chance to get on here much.
I didnt think about the 385/390 oiler upgrade for the Simonized 372,,, I may give that a try,, it makes sense, I bet JJ would have a good used one