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  1. 10-06-2011, 09:08 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGenius View Post
    You show me a guy who took the women's last name, or a couple were they both keep their same name.

    You will find a spineless man who's ball's are in the women's purse.
    I've read about an instance. It involved a descendant of Fletcher Christian. She married an English man and he took her last name because of the history associated with it. From what I read they are both alive today and living on Pitcairn Island. Matter of fact I think she is or was the Mayor or Police Chief of whatever town they live in there.
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    There's a guy where I work who took his wife's last name when they married. I don't really know the guy so I can't tell you why he did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGenius View Post
    You show me a guy who took the women's last name, or a couple were they both keep their same name.

    You will find a spineless man who's ball's are in the women's purse.
    For a self professed genius, you have a very narrow world view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mga View Post
    family names are only carried on by males. for example, if your family name is Script, then only the sons are allowed to carry the family name on. the daughters are forced to carry the name they marry into and their "maiden" names no longer have any significance.

    why does our society do this to the female gender? why does the law state they must use their married name? and what about the children? if the daughter Script married the son Penn, why must the children carry the father's last name and not the mother's?
    Not all cultures do that. Many Latino cultures carry the surnames of both parents. Also, I wasn't aware of any law that said the woman *has* to take the husband's name. Many use a hyphenated last name, and a few use their maiden name throughout their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacemule View Post
    Not all cultures do that. Many Latino cultures carry the surnames of both parents. Also, I wasn't aware of any law that said the woman *has* to take the husband's name. Many use a hyphenated last name, and a few use their maiden name throughout their lives.
    granted, i used the term "law" hastily. my bad.

    but, even using a hyphenated name, this is something the woman does, i agree, but they don't do that with the kids. all will carry the father's last name.

    so, regardless if using a hyphenated name, the family name will end with the female.

    right?

    so, basically, females have a lesser role and in carrying on a family name and their only function, far lack of a better word, is to reproduce (preferably) male off-spring to carry on a family name and/or bloodline. however, in today's society females are having kids from multiple fathers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mga View Post
    granted, i was used the term "law" hastily. my bad.

    but, even using a hyphenated name, this is something the woman does, i agree, but they don't do that with the kids. all will carry the father's last name.

    so, regardless if using a hyphenated name, the family name will end with the female.

    right?

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    Not always. I have a good friend who gave her kid a hyphenated name. And with many Latinos, the kids carry both names. Would sure make tracking genealogy easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacemule View Post
    Not always. I have a good friend who gave her kid a hyphenated name. And with many Latinos, the kids carry both names. Would sure make tracking genealogy easier.
    ....which explains why some latino names are long with multiple names.

    good point. never thought about that.
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  8. 10-07-2011, 03:49 AM #23
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  9. 10-07-2011, 06:33 AM #24
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    Been a long time since I took biology but from a genetic standpoint, if you want to trace bloodlines, I think you focus on maternal genes not paternal. So family bloodlines are actually carried by females not males.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centaur G2 View Post
    Been a long time since I took biology but from a genetic standpoint, if you want to trace bloodlines, I think you focus on maternal genes not paternal. So family bloodlines are actually carried by females not males.
    There are DNA tests that can trace from both the maternal or the paternal. I have had my Y-dna (paternal) tested and it changes none or very little generation to generation. It can help you match up with other people with the same dna to help you find your ancestors.
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    Only in Quebec

    Sure Groundie can expand, but in Quebec women keep the name they were born with legally all their lives.....I still remember a great aunt being humoured by the fact he new health care card came with her maiden name, Aveline Diana Sarrasin, when she had been a Hopper for more than 55 years. Something to do with Frog Common Law and the fact they have to do things differently than the rest of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CentaurG2 View Post
    Been a long time since I took biology but from a genetic standpoint, if you want to trace bloodlines, I think you focus on maternal genes not paternal. So family bloodlines are actually carried by females not males.
    No, when the fertilization process happens, the fertilized egg gets DNA from the sperm, and the two combine to make the baby. The baby gets ALL of the characteristics of both parents, but half of them are dominant, half are recessive, but there's no telling which will emerge which way.

    For myself, I'm sorry to say that all 7 of my kids look a LOT like me - round faces, brown hair, large moustache, etc. But some are left-handed (like me) and some are not. Statistically, (according to the one book I read on the topic) one left-handed and one right-handed parent have a 2% chance of producing a left-handed kid, but we've got at least 3 so far.
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    Yea sure 50/50, but consider for a moment that humans might be a little bit more complex then Mendels pea plants. Now you get 23 chromosomes but only 2 determine your sex. If you are a female you get two X chromosomes but if you are a male, you get an X and a Y. If you want to learn about your lineage, you use genetic markers specific to X chromosome. Both males and females in your ancestry will have the markers and in theory, you could trace your lineage back to Eve. If you used markers linked to the Y, you could only identify males. Sorry, but males are a genetic dead end. Just ask what happens to male milk calves or male chicks.
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    Combining the couples names is ok as long as Claudia Schiffer doesn't marry a bloke called brains.
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    The baby gets ALL of the characteristics of both parents,
    Nope.

    A simple example is if you have a pair of Dominant-Recessive genes, in a perfect distribution the four kids will get a set that are:

    Dominant-Dominant
    Dominant-Recessive
    Recessive-Dominant
    Recessive-Recessive

    The first kid won't pass on the recessive gene because they never received it, nor can the last kid pass on the dominant gene because they too didn't receive it.

    45 of our 46 chromosones can be passed on by women. It's only the deformed 46th, the "Y" that's uniquely carried by men and it's been shrinking for milleniums, now carrying only about 80 genes compared to around 1000 for a typical X: As Y Chromosome Shrinks, End of Men Pondered : NPR

    So the fact we only have enough blood flow to think with one head at a time is just a birth defect
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