Wanting to sell lumber

aojgnar · 11-03-2009, 05:06 PM

i am wanting to sell some lumber that has been cut on a personal sawmill. i worked at another sawmill a few years ago and the lumber that it cut was picked up by a flatbed from MO. they took 4x4x8 banded chords of various dimensions. if anyone can let me know where to look or who to get a hold of so i can band and sell my lumber i would appreciate it.

deeker · 11-03-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aojgnar

i am wanting to sell some lumber that has been cut on a personal sawmill. i worked at another sawmill a few years ago and the lumber that it cut was picked up by a flatbed from MO. they took 4x4x8 banded chords of various dimensions. if anyone can let me know where to look or who to get a hold of so i can band and sell my lumber i would appreciate it.

We need more information from you. I am a mill owner too. Dimensions, types of lumber, wood specie and dryness. Idea of a price, usually from calling around your area to other mill owners.

Welcome to the site.

Kevin

aojgnar · 11-03-2009, 07:19 PM

i want who ever is buying my lumber to tell me what dimension to cut it. i have various species. cedar, pine, walnut, gum, and whatever anyone else wants cut. its a portable sawmill that we just got and are gathering a "client base" of people who want trees cut. we are either cutting on shares or charging per board foot if someone doesnt want to part with their lumber. so any lumber that i cut that i dont personally want to use i was going to sell but am wanting specifics on things. i am not currently kiln drying the lumber. i have some sticker stacked. it would probably be on an "as is" moisture content basis.

deeker · 11-03-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aojgnar

i want who ever is buying my lumber to tell me what dimension to cut it. i have various species. cedar, pine, walnut, gum, and whatever anyone else wants cut. its a portable sawmill that we just got and are gathering a "client base" of people who want trees cut. we are either cutting on shares or charging per board foot if someone doesnt want to part with their lumber. so any lumber that i cut that i dont personally want to use i was going to sell but am wanting specifics on things. i am not currently kiln drying the lumber. i have some sticker stacked. it would probably be on an "as is" moisture content basis.

Tell me about your mill, and your milling experience. There can be a big learning curve while getting started.

I have Norwoods LM2000, for three and a half years now. I am still learning everyday, either from a customer or other millers.

Kevin

deeker · 11-03-2009, 07:26 PM

As for selling lumber......I am unable to produce with enough efficiency, 2x4's to make any money on them. The box stores sell them for less than $2 each. A 2x6, barely breaks even. Bigger dimensions and custom cuts are my bread and butter.

aojgnar · 11-03-2009, 07:35 PM

well its my girlfriend's father's mill. its a swing saw. a peterson ats 8". cuts up to a 6' diameter log and with the rails he has now it will cut 20'. it has the capability of cutting an 8x16 beam. he bought it used a couple of months ago with only 78 hrs on the motor. my milling exp is probably basic but im really quick to learn and pick up on things. my x wife's father owned a mill. not portable. probably a 52 or 56" blade with an edger. ran off of a big rig power unit. i worked many hours at that mill. we sawed 1x4's up to 1xwhatever the board would allow. mostly red oak and white oak. some hickory and cherry and gum. 4x4 4x6 6x6 and 7x9 ties none of which were dried. we banded them and waited for a truck from whatever company the owner dealt with to come and pick the stuff up. i think he sold to 2 places. one that made hardwood floors and another that made shipping pallets. they would send him a check in the mail for whatever his lumber was worth to them.

deeker · 11-03-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aojgnar

well its my girlfriend's father's mill. its a swing saw. a petersen ats 8". cuts up to a 6' diameter log and with the rails he has now it will cut 20'. it has the capability of cutting an 8x16 beam. he bought it used a couple of months ago with only 78 hrs on the motor. my milling exp is probably basic but im really quick to learn and pick up on things. my x wife's father owned a mill. not portable. probably a 52 or 56" blade with an edger. ran off of a big rig power unit. i worked many hours at that mill. we sawed 1x4's up to 1xwhatever the board would allow. mostly red oak and white oak. some hickory and cherry and gum. 4x4 4x6 6x6 and 7x9 ties none of which were dried. we banded them and waited for a truck from whatever company the owner dealt with to come and pick the stuff up. i think he sold to 2 places. one that made hardwood floors and another that made shipping pallets. they would send him a check in the mail for whatever his lumber was worth to them.

Sounds like you have a great start. I have not used a swing saw. Only CSM and the Norwood bandmill.

aojgnar · 11-03-2009, 08:39 PM

here are a couple of pics for u guys. this is the first log we cut up. its a 12' cherry that fell beside the house. beautiful 1x's

Sawyer Rob · 11-03-2009, 09:12 PM

If your "really" interested in selling hardwood lumber, you need to "grade saw" your logs. The better grades of lumber is where the sales are, so you have to get as much of that out of a log as you can. Everyone wants a good grade of lumber, not just lumber, and the higher grades are where the $$ are.

Also, the more recovery you can get out of a log, the more money you put in your pocket!

Rob

aojgnar · 11-03-2009, 09:14 PM

give me an example of "grade saw". im not for sure i know what you are talking about.

Sawyer Rob · 11-03-2009, 09:22 PM

Grade sawing is opening the log to give you the BEST quality lumber possible, then always sawing the BEST side of the cant, turning it every time the grade falls off to keep milling out the BEST lumber possible.

If you don't turn the cant, all your doing is sawing the log to get lumber, and you won't ever get as good a quality of lumber as you "could have got".

Anyone buying lumber wants the BEST grade they can get, so it only makes sence to mill out the best lumber possible out of a log. The better lumber brings a higher price too.

Rob

aojgnar · 11-03-2009, 09:27 PM

well with this swing saw that i am using there is no turning of the log. once it is in place it stays there. theoretically i guess you could turn it but the swing saw was made as it is to eliminate that aspect of milling. so with this in mind what do you think i should do? quarter saw to the heart and then go for the 6x6 or so?

Coalsmoke · 11-04-2009, 01:05 AM

I don't mean to be offending, but you're going about this backwards. First find out who your customer base is and what they are looking for, then figure out your local timber markets, and lastly determine your equipment setup from there. Somewhere along the line you should form a business plan, with a financial plan, and get educated or educate yourself on all this, including getting your technical skills up to a level where you can honestly call yourself a sawyer and handle whatever comes in through the door.

I sincerely mean it when I say I wish you all the best, I hope it comes together for you. I'm just concerned at the haphazard approach.

Brmorgan · 11-04-2009, 01:49 AM

Well with a swing saw, at least as far as I understand them, it should be possible to saw most logs to grade fairly well. Maybe not 100%.

As Deeker pointed out, you'll likely have a hard time making a good profit with basic dimensional lumber, since there are big commercial mills that can crank out half a million board feet per shift or more. You'd probably have to get contracts with local builders and contractors to make that really pay. Though, in that case, the lumber would NEED to be grade stamped to meet code, so that's something else that you might need to consider. On a similar note, I know a couple local contractors/builders whom I've talked to about milling 2X6 Douglas Fir posts once I get my bandmill set up. They said if I can deliver for the same price or lower than they pay the building supply, they'd buy whatever they needed from me. They do use a fair amount of them for things like carport/garage support posts and the like. I also asked one of them about making the little 16" cross-braces they use between floor joists to stabilize them and he said the same thing. These could be milled out of small edgings and scraps - might not be really time-efficient money, but I could use ANY money about now, so these are just ideas I've been tossing around myself. I'm in about the same situation as you, though I don't have an operational mill other than my Alaskan as of yet.

As noted the money is in custom cuts. There was an ad on Craigslist in a city near me a couple months ago from a guy looking for someone to mill him two custom pieces - one 28" wide by 20' long(no specified thickness) for a bar top, and another 36" X 4" X 12' for a tabletop. He was offering $1000 for them both, which I realize might be below going rate (not sure), but still would be good money since a guy could easily mill those two pieces in a day. Obviously didn't make sense for me, since I'd almost need to hire a flatbed truck to haul the pieces the 260 km distance, but if a guy was local and had the necessary equipment for large pieces, it would be a good job to take.

aojgnar · 11-04-2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Coalsmoke

I don't mean to be offending, but you're going about this backwards. First find out who your customer base is and what they are looking for, then figure out your local timber markets, and lastly determine your equipment setup from there. Somewhere along the line you should form a business plan, with a financial plan, and get educated or educate yourself on all this, including getting your technical skills up to a level where you can honestly call yourself a sawyer and handle whatever comes in through the door.

I sincerely mean it when I say I wish you all the best, I hope it comes together for you. I'm just concerned at the haphazard approach.

well i dont know how serious the owner is about actually turning it into a business. he and i both have jobs. i hate mine but that is beside the point since it pays well. so this mill is hopefully going to be some extra income on the side. i dont know if it will work this way but i was just hoping that whenever we banded up a chord that we personally werent going to use that we would know someone or some place that we could sell it to. i think that is all im looking for at this point.

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Originally Posted by Brmorgan

As noted the money is in custom cuts. There was an ad on Craigslist in a city near me a couple months ago from a guy looking for someone to mill him two custom pieces - one 28" wide by 20' long(no specified thickness) for a bar top, and another 36" X 4" X 12' for a tabletop. He was offering $1000 for them both, which I realize might be below going rate (not sure), but still would be good money since a guy could easily mill those two pieces in a day. Obviously didn't make sense for me, since I'd almost need to hire a flatbed truck to haul the pieces the 260 km distance, but if a guy was local and had the necessary equipment for large pieces, it would be a good job to take.

thanks for the craigslist tip. ill check there and other like places and see what i can find.

11-03-2009, 05:06 PM	#1
aojgnar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: arkansas Posts: 15	Wanting to sell lumber i am wanting to sell some lumber that has been cut on a personal sawmill. i worked at another sawmill a few years ago and the lumber that it cut was picked up by a flatbed from MO. they took 4x4x8 banded chords of various dimensions. if anyone can let me know where to look or who to get a hold of so i can band and sell my lumber i would appreciate it.

11-03-2009, 07:26 PM	#5
deeker Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central, UT Posts: 3,914	As for selling lumber......I am unable to produce with enough efficiency, 2x4's to make any money on them. The box stores sell them for less than $2 each. A 2x6, barely breaks even. Bigger dimensions and custom cuts are my bread and butter. __________________ A proud American earning a living by motivated self employment, having it stolen to support those that won't work. To those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know. Empty C-ration box Khe Sahn 1968 *All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.” Mao Tse Tung*

11-03-2009, 07:35 PM	#6
aojgnar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: arkansas Posts: 15	well its my girlfriend's father's mill. its a swing saw. a peterson ats 8". cuts up to a 6' diameter log and with the rails he has now it will cut 20'. it has the capability of cutting an 8x16 beam. he bought it used a couple of months ago with only 78 hrs on the motor. my milling exp is probably basic but im really quick to learn and pick up on things. my x wife's father owned a mill. not portable. probably a 52 or 56" blade with an edger. ran off of a big rig power unit. i worked many hours at that mill. we sawed 1x4's up to 1xwhatever the board would allow. mostly red oak and white oak. some hickory and cherry and gum. 4x4 4x6 6x6 and 7x9 ties none of which were dried. we banded them and waited for a truck from whatever company the owner dealt with to come and pick the stuff up. i think he sold to 2 places. one that made hardwood floors and another that made shipping pallets. they would send him a check in the mail for whatever his lumber was worth to them. Last edited by aojgnar; 11-03-2009 at 08:23 PM.

11-04-2009, 01:49 AM	#14
Brmorgan Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Williams Lake, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,524	Well with a swing saw, at least as far as I understand them, it should be possible to saw most logs to grade fairly well. Maybe not 100%. As Deeker pointed out, you'll likely have a hard time making a good profit with basic dimensional lumber, since there are big commercial mills that can crank out half a million board feet per shift or more. You'd probably have to get contracts with local builders and contractors to make that really pay. Though, in that case, the lumber would NEED to be grade stamped to meet code, so that's something else that you might need to consider. On a similar note, I know a couple local contractors/builders whom I've talked to about milling 2X6 Douglas Fir posts once I get my bandmill set up. They said if I can deliver for the same price or lower than they pay the building supply, they'd buy whatever they needed from me. They do use a fair amount of them for things like carport/garage support posts and the like. I also asked one of them about making the little 16" cross-braces they use between floor joists to stabilize them and he said the same thing. These could be milled out of small edgings and scraps - might not be really time-efficient money, but I could use ANY money about now, so these are just ideas I've been tossing around myself. I'm in about the same situation as you, though I don't have an operational mill other than my Alaskan as of yet. As noted the money is in custom cuts. There was an ad on Craigslist in a city near me a couple months ago from a guy looking for someone to mill him two custom pieces - one 28" wide by 20' long(no specified thickness) for a bar top, and another 36" X 4" X 12' for a tabletop. He was offering $1000 for them both, which I realize might be below going rate (not sure), but still would be good money since a guy could easily mill those two pieces in a day. Obviously didn't make sense for me, since I'd almost need to hire a flatbed truck to haul the pieces the 260 km distance, but if a guy was local and had the necessary equipment for large pieces, it would be a good job to take. __________________ -Brad Stihl 090 \| 066 \| 045AV \| 041AV SUPER \| 041AV \| 08S (converted to TS350) \| 031AV Husky 395XP \| 288XP \| 181SE x2 \| 480CD \| 371 \| L65/77 \| 50 \| 44 Pioneer RA \| P41 \| 2071 Project Jonsereds 49SP / Skil 1629x2 / Oleo-Mac 251 Project Poulan 335 Pro \|2150 Homelite XL902AM \| Super XL-130 Project \| XL Auto Project \| XL-2 / McCulloch Pro 10-10A \| PM 145-14 Stihl FS56 trimmer \| Project Brushsaw '07 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI Quad Old POS '86 Chevy 4X4 rustbucket on propane Last edited by Brmorgan; 11-04-2009 at 01:54 AM.

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11-03-2009, 07:19 PM	#3
aojgnar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: arkansas Posts: 15	i want who ever is buying my lumber to tell me what dimension to cut it. i have various species. cedar, pine, walnut, gum, and whatever anyone else wants cut. its a portable sawmill that we just got and are gathering a "client base" of people who want trees cut. we are either cutting on shares or charging per board foot if someone doesnt want to part with their lumber. so any lumber that i cut that i dont personally want to use i was going to sell but am wanting specifics on things. i am not currently kiln drying the lumber. i have some sticker stacked. it would probably be on an "as is" moisture content basis.

11-03-2009, 09:12 PM	#9
Sawyer Rob Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 708	If your "really" interested in selling hardwood lumber, you need to "grade saw" your logs. The better grades of lumber is where the sales are, so you have to get as much of that out of a log as you can. Everyone wants a good grade of lumber, not just lumber, and the higher grades are where the $$ are. Also, the more recovery you can get out of a log, the more money you put in your pocket! Rob

11-03-2009, 09:14 PM	#10
aojgnar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: arkansas Posts: 15	give me an example of "grade saw". im not for sure i know what you are talking about.

11-03-2009, 09:22 PM	#11
Sawyer Rob Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 708	Grade sawing is opening the log to give you the BEST quality lumber possible, then always sawing the BEST side of the cant, turning it every time the grade falls off to keep milling out the BEST lumber possible. If you don't turn the cant, all your doing is sawing the log to get lumber, and you won't ever get as good a quality of lumber as you "could have got". Anyone buying lumber wants the BEST grade they can get, so it only makes sence to mill out the best lumber possible out of a log. The better lumber brings a higher price too. Rob

11-03-2009, 09:27 PM	#12
aojgnar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: arkansas Posts: 15	well with this swing saw that i am using there is no turning of the log. once it is in place it stays there. theoretically i guess you could turn it but the swing saw was made as it is to eliminate that aspect of milling. so with this in mind what do you think i should do? quarter saw to the heart and then go for the 6x6 or so?

11-04-2009, 01:05 AM	#13
Coalsmoke Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Langley, BC Canada Posts: 104	I don't mean to be offending, but you're going about this backwards. First find out who your customer base is and what they are looking for, then figure out your local timber markets, and lastly determine your equipment setup from there. Somewhere along the line you should form a business plan, with a financial plan, and get educated or educate yourself on all this, including getting your technical skills up to a level where you can honestly call yourself a sawyer and handle whatever comes in through the door. I sincerely mean it when I say I wish you all the best, I hope it comes together for you. I'm just concerned at the haphazard approach.

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