Walk us through a run

troutfisher · 09-30-2009, 08:53 AM

Anyone want to share their thoughts on putting down a decent run with a chainsaw or Hotsaw? I know everyone sets up a little different, has "marks" they try to hit. Here's some training videos from the STS, just click "play".........

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/t...ents_stock_saw

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/t..._events_hotsaw

troutfisher · 09-30-2009, 09:01 AM

when dead starting a saw, I pull the starter rope with my right hand, and as soon as I let go of the rope that hand goes to my right hip, where I catch the pistol grip on the saw. The throttle is locked wide open, so the thing shoud be spooled up when it hits the wood. Here's a vid of me practicing at home. I'm not saying this is the right way, just what I do.

http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w...ttlelocked.flv

BloodOnTheIce · 10-01-2009, 04:53 PM

Thanks for posting that I learned alot.

troutfisher · 10-01-2009, 05:00 PM

I hope one of the pros will chime in here, I get SMOKED on the starts. I've seen guys get the saw started and in the wood in less than a second.

Chopwood · 10-01-2009, 06:46 PM

Mark three cuts on the log.

Warm up

Set throttle lock, put motor at TDC, switch on

Set the saw two inches out fom the end of the log, with the powerhead about one inch back from the end of the log.

Set the starter handle in the notch I have in the top cover.

Left foot even with the starter handle, right foot depends on how high the log is.

hands on the wood.

Start, hands as quick to the saw as you can. Pull hard as I can for about a foot of cord (my saws start really easy). Be quick to the rear handle.

Shove the saw in the wood.

Push hard, pull up hard, push harder on the third cookie.

Shut the saw off.

Walk back to the truck.

troutfisher · 10-02-2009, 04:07 AM

You forgot to go over to the booth and collect the cash

troutfisher · 10-02-2009, 05:58 AM

"Left foot even with the starter handle, right foot depends on how high the log is."

There's a lot going on in that bit of advice there. It has taken me a long time to stop moving my feet, I still step once in a while. I guess it just comes from hours of practice... learning where to stand in relation to the block and the saw, how far to bend down (I've tried bending my knees and crounching more, I've also tried keeping my legs straighter and bending my back more), and lifting the saw just high enough to clear the block.

timberwolf · 10-02-2009, 06:23 AM

From some WW canoing instruction I do I think a good approach is to break everything into steps.

Do each as a separate excercise

Dropping hands from log to saw
Starting saw
Hitting the first mark
Making first down cut
making first changeover
Making upcut
making second changeover
last down cut.

Focus on each segment by it's self ignoring all others, then work to start combining steps together.

So often students new to canoeing come down a rapid and say "how was that", it's really hard to anylize as a whole but if broken down to focus on one or two things at a time it's much easier to identify areas to work on and ways to improve.

Having the dedication to practice I find to be the hardest part, just way to many otherthings in life all demmanding time.

troutfisher · 10-02-2009, 06:44 AM

When I first started thinking about racing, I went to a show and videod the Hotsaws. Once I had that video I could sit at home and time the runs, dead starts, individual cuts, changeovers. Then if you get a pic of the results sheet, you''l know what time won and what time took last place. That gives a person a real good scale to measure their progress by, know what to work on, and know when they're ready to give it a shot.

HS Climber · 11-12-2009, 04:25 PM

Yes technique wise.

but what about if they had a bad start but there saw is faster then the other guys.

or if their saw that day is not running as hot. but he won every other race besides that day.

you kinda have to look at a few shows to compare.

Chopwood · 11-12-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HS Climber

Yes technique wise.

but what about if they had a bad start but there saw is faster then the other guys.

or if their saw that day is not running as hot. but he won every other race besides that day.

you kinda have to look at a few shows to compare.

If you have a bad start, you aren't winning (or probably placing) in the east. Regardless of how fast your saw is.

No one wins all the races.

You can watch the shows and see who has the gear and the skill. Around here, the Gingras brothers, J-Sim and J-Seb Bertrand, Pfenniger and a couple others win most of the contests. They have good saws and don't make mistakes.

ccicora · 11-13-2009, 07:58 PM

This is 4th at a show, I was happy with the run as it was my first run on 8x8 with a 17" bottom (top 25"). most of the shows I go to are 30-36" top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8oOqqGL-RM

HS Climber · 11-15-2009, 10:12 PM

Kinda little wood.
you guys dont race anything bigger.
seems worthless

Good race. kicked the guys butt.

09-30-2009, 08:53 AM	#1
troutfisher Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fishin' the Adirondacks Posts: 1,444	Walk us through a run Anyone want to share their thoughts on putting down a decent run with a chainsaw or Hotsaw? I know everyone sets up a little different, has "marks" they try to hit. Here's some training videos from the STS, just click "play"......... http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/t...ents_stock_saw http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/t..._events_hotsaw

10-01-2009, 04:53 PM	#3
BloodOnTheIce NYCSM Underboss Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 2,196	Thanks for posting that I learned alot. __________________ If one does not fail at times, then one has not challenged himself. -Ferdinand Porsche

10-01-2009, 06:46 PM	#5
Chopwood Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Granby Center, NY Posts: 881	Mark three cuts on the log. Warm up Set throttle lock, put motor at TDC, switch on Set the saw two inches out fom the end of the log, with the powerhead about one inch back from the end of the log. Set the starter handle in the notch I have in the top cover. Left foot even with the starter handle, right foot depends on how high the log is. hands on the wood. Start, hands as quick to the saw as you can. Pull hard as I can for about a foot of cord (my saws start really easy). Be quick to the rear handle. Shove the saw in the wood. Push hard, pull up hard, push harder on the third cookie. Shut the saw off. Walk back to the truck. __________________ I go to church every god damn sunday!

10-02-2009, 06:23 AM	#8
timberwolf Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,246	From some WW canoing instruction I do I think a good approach is to break everything into steps. Do each as a separate excercise Dropping hands from log to saw Starting saw Hitting the first mark Making first down cut making first changeover Making upcut making second changeover last down cut. Focus on each segment by it's self ignoring all others, then work to start combining steps together. So often students new to canoeing come down a rapid and say "how was that", it's really hard to anylize as a whole but if broken down to focus on one or two things at a time it's much easier to identify areas to work on and ways to improve. Having the dedication to practice I find to be the hardest part, just way to many otherthings in life all demmanding time. __________________ Civilizations and empires, in the end, are just ripples in the ocean of time. They come and go, leaving little except carved stones proclaiming their eternal greatness. {Tainter}

11-12-2009, 04:25 PM	#10
HS Climber Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Astoria Oregon Posts: 84	Yes technique wise. but what about if they had a bad start but there saw is faster then the other guys. or if their saw that day is not running as hot. but he won every other race besides that day. you kinda have to look at a few shows to compare. __________________ Stihl 066 064 056 390 039 021 Husqvarna 455 Toyota Tacoma Climbing Gear

09-30-2009, 09:01 AM	#2
troutfisher Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fishin' the Adirondacks Posts: 1,444	when dead starting a saw, I pull the starter rope with my right hand, and as soon as I let go of the rope that hand goes to my right hip, where I catch the pistol grip on the saw. The throttle is locked wide open, so the thing shoud be spooled up when it hits the wood. Here's a vid of me practicing at home. I'm not saying this is the right way, just what I do. http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w...ttlelocked.flv

10-01-2009, 05:00 PM	#4
troutfisher Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fishin' the Adirondacks Posts: 1,444	I hope one of the pros will chime in here, I get SMOKED on the starts. I've seen guys get the saw started and in the wood in less than a second.

10-02-2009, 04:07 AM	#6
troutfisher Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fishin' the Adirondacks Posts: 1,444	You forgot to go over to the booth and collect the cash

10-02-2009, 05:58 AM	#7
troutfisher Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fishin' the Adirondacks Posts: 1,444	"Left foot even with the starter handle, right foot depends on how high the log is." There's a lot going on in that bit of advice there. It has taken me a long time to stop moving my feet, I still step once in a while. I guess it just comes from hours of practice... learning where to stand in relation to the block and the saw, how far to bend down (I've tried bending my knees and crounching more, I've also tried keeping my legs straighter and bending my back more), and lifting the saw just high enough to clear the block.

10-02-2009, 06:44 AM	#9
troutfisher Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fishin' the Adirondacks Posts: 1,444	When I first started thinking about racing, I went to a show and videod the Hotsaws. Once I had that video I could sit at home and time the runs, dead starts, individual cuts, changeovers. Then if you get a pic of the results sheet, you''l know what time won and what time took last place. That gives a person a real good scale to measure their progress by, know what to work on, and know when they're ready to give it a shot.

11-13-2009, 07:58 PM	#12
ccicora Arboristsite MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Middle of No Where, NY Posts: 1,182	This is 4th at a show, I was happy with the run as it was my first run on 8x8 with a 17" bottom (top 25"). most of the shows I go to are 30-36" top. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8oOqqGL-RM __________________ A blind man once said I see the light!

11-15-2009, 10:12 PM	#13
HS Climber Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Astoria Oregon Posts: 84	Kinda little wood. you guys dont race anything bigger. seems worthless Good race. kicked the guys butt. __________________ Stihl 066 064 056 390 039 021 Husqvarna 455 Toyota Tacoma Climbing Gear Last edited by HS Climber; 11-15-2009 at 10:14 PM.

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