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I'm in...let's do it!
Well, with our collective $200 we might be able to buy some wheels and a few beers at a 'design team meeting'.

Others have suggested, via PM, it could get too political with too many people - you know the sort of 20 chiefs and 1 Indian type of scenario.

So I don't think the idea is going to fly.

Somewhere in cyberspace is a website that allows people to pitch their projects to the online community who then fund them the seed capital. A zillion $10 donater/investors to help get the idea into production. Something like that is what we need. Or perhaps AS could start a good old fashioned swear jar with every AS member adding in $5 for each infraction. We'd be fully funded within a month ;-)
 
Well, with our collective $200 we might be able to buy some wheels and a few beers at a 'design team meeting'.

Others have suggested, via PM, it could get too political with too many people - you know the sort of 20 chiefs and 1 Indian type of scenario.

So I don't think the idea is going to fly.

Somewhere in cyberspace is a website that allows people to pitch their projects to the online community who then fund them the seed capital. A zillion $10 donater/investors to help get the idea into production. Something like that is what we need. Or perhaps AS could start a good old fashioned swear jar with every AS member adding in $5 for each infraction. We'd be fully funded within a month ;-)

interested in this...
 
The vast majority of my wood even at 24 inch is something I can lift up.

My needs are:

Up to 30", anything that needs to be split goes into the lower categories.

Up to 24", anything too heavy at this length goes into the lower category.

Up to 18"

As long as you think about it when you are cutting, not a problem.

If I had lots of large diameter stuff then I guess a vertical hydraulic.

I still have a neighbours hydraulic on site, a bruiser with a 4 way split. One of the problems was clearing all the split wood, the way I work the wood stays put when split, the splitter moves. Just takes a few seconds to move it back a few feet and carry on.
 
No...the video made a claim about drastically increased production and the video has things favoring their setup.
The most subtle thing is the apparent lack of a two stage hydraulic system on the demo hydraulic unit. On my unit the head does not move anywhere near that slow until it contacts the wood.I dont know about other hydro units
The most obvious thing in that video is neatly pre stacked logs ,that are off the ground. The stacking of logs should be counted into overall "productivity" . When I buck logs,they fall to the ground and stay on the ground until I stack the finished pieces. The majority of wood that I split is 12-14 inch white and red oak at 24 inch lengths (as my stove burns 28 inch logs) If i switched to splitting short logs as demo'ed, my bucking time would almost double, I would have to handle almost twice as many pieces to stack and to load up my stove. I dont see any near 30 inch long logs in that video. I dont see any one hefting them onto the horizontal splitter either.
I do see a hydro unit needing to do full strokes in the video ,when in my reality ,its almost never required.I dont (purposely) buck short logs.
A table of calculated logweights from woodweb dot com is in order.

Species: Oak, White Small End Diameter: 12.00 Large End Diameter: 12.00 Length: 1.00' Quantity: 1.00 Estimated Weight: 52
Species: Oak, White Small End Diameter: 12.00 Large End Diameter: 12.00 Length: 2.00' Quantity: 1.00 Estimated Weight: 104
Species: Yellow-poplar Small End Diameter: 12.00 Large End Diameter: 12.00 Length: 1.00' Quantity: 1.00 Estimated Weight: 35
Species: Oak, White Small End Diameter: 14.00 Large End Diameter: 14.00 Length: 2.00' Quantity: 1.00 Estimated Weight: 140
Folks should consider what they will be lifting and splitting before buying a unit that will not lower
its base to the ground.
Do you really want to pass on larger tree sizes because the log is too heavy
to lift by yourself? Do you really want to cut the entire length of all the larger logs so that you are able to lift it to split it?
Where is the productivity saveing in that?


First off, the hydro unit cycle times in the video you are referring to are consistent with a machine equipped with a two-stage pump. It has a two-stage, and it is still slow by comparison. They are using a Swisher 34 ton model, 12.5 HP, two stage pump. Cycle times are either 22 seconds or eighteen seconds. They seem to be available with either 11gpm two-stage pump or a 13gpm two-stage pump, thus the difference in cycle times advertised.

Here is a link with basic specs on the unit they are using. Swisher Electric Start 34 Ton Log Splitter | Bass Pro Shops

The fastest widely available hydro splitters have a cycle time of 8-9 seconds. Compared to a DR Rapidfire or a Super Split that is slow in a very real way. Why don't you get us some specs on your 20 year old MTD. What is your pump flow? What size cylinder and rod? What do you guess the cycle time is? I'm guessing that it will be slower than you think it is. That does not make it a bad splitter, or even mean you need a different one. Just some basic facts that you have no provided.


Much of what you are talking about is a workflow issue more than a splitter issue anyway. Your examples cannot be broken down to a hydro vs. kinetic debate for a few simple reasons.

Not everyone works with bigger rounds.
Not everyone with a hydro has a ground level vertical option.
Handling size is limited by the person, not the machine (within practical parameters).

Just as an example round size really doesn't matter to me, my work revolves around dealing with the wood no matter the size. I've made and moved rounds you would have to haul on a truck with oversize load signs unless they were broken up. So the point is it becomes relative. It isn't as much an issue of machine as it an overall look at the logistics of making firewood.

Getting rounds to a splitter, taking the splitter to the rounds, rounds coming from a stack, or rounds being spread on the ground is largely immaterial to splitter production; it can be very important to overall production. I've worked it all ways, rounds dumped in a pile, rounds stacked up in a neat row, make a few rounds and then split them, rounds out of truck, rounds out of a loader, rounds quartered or even eighthed with a saw, you name it and I've probably done it. Splitter time is very important to me and my kinetic splitter is my fastest way of making split firewood.

It might be a surprise, but I use as little machinery as possible because turning the key takes time and costs money. There are times when it's just me, a saw or two, and a couple of axes. Wham bam, thank you ma'am, and I have another cord of wood to sell. Most recent example was a long straight D. Fir with few branches. Dropped it, homeowner picked up the brush; I just bucked and split and loaded split wood. Couple hours later I left with a bit over a cord of wood to sell later and I got paid to take down the tree. Grossed $200 an hour on that gig. If I'd had a Super Splitter I could tow behind the truck it would have been $400 an hour.:D

So, it comes back to this. A hydro is often better than an axe but slower than a kinetic. Just simple physics there. If a guy has a trusty hydro unit that is meeting his needs than great, more power to him, I'm happy for him, it's good.

But if said guy comes along and says "I don't need anything more and I don't believe these other machines that I've no personal experience with work the way other people claim they do." Well, I've got a problem with that. Sure a kinetic might not fit the way you make firewood, but it sure works good for a lot of people, several of whom are in this thread and telling you so.



Mr. HE:cool:
 
dr clutch

Well, I hate to say it, but the one I bought for half price has now gone through three different racks. I am now in the process of trying to figure out how to reengineer this so it is reliable. I have only split 2 cord so far. Looks like I will be buying a different rack and pinion and figuring out a way to slow down the flywheels.

csmith said he bought a clutch for a dr machine and it cut flywheel rpm by half on his speedpro. It was direct bolt-on, uses same belts and everything. $79 plus shipping
 
Went with the DR

Hi All,

Looks like there has been some good activity and also some great "reengineering" happening as well since my last visit! As stated in my earlier post in October I opted for the return/refund option and have since taken delivery of my DR RapidFire XL. Out of the box there are some similarities, however, the build quality on the DR is much better. I've only run a few pieces though it but it's much easier on the body and also way smoother. Once I get some wood through it I'll be sure to post up my findings.
 
You should have read the DR rapidfire threads... you might have made a different decision. Lot's of happy home owners, but mostly disgruntled commercial users.
 
Hey Dozer, I did read them and I do understand there may be some risks but knowing there are parts available and the support is there should be enough. Also, I'm just a homeowner :cool2:
 
First off, the hydro unit cycle times in the video you are referring to are consistent with a machine equipped with a two-stage pump. It has a two-stage, and it is still slow by comparison. They are using a Swisher 34 ton model, 12.5 HP, two stage pump. Cycle times are either 22 seconds or eighteen seconds. They seem to be available with either 11gpm two-stage pump or a 13gpm two-stage pump, thus the difference in cycle times advertised.

Here is a link with basic specs on the unit they are using. Swisher Electric Start 34 Ton Log Splitter | Bass Pro Shops

The fastest widely available hydro splitters have a cycle time of 8-9 seconds. Compared to a DR Rapidfire or a Super Split that is slow in a very real way. Why don't you get us some specs on your 20 year old MTD. What is your pump flow? What size cylinder and rod? What do you guess the cycle time is? I'm guessing that it will be slower than you think it is. That does not make it a bad splitter, or even mean you need a different one. Just some basic facts that you have no provided.


Much of what you are talking about is a workflow issue more than a splitter issue anyway. Your examples cannot be broken down to a hydro vs. kinetic debate for a few simple reasons.

Not everyone works with bigger rounds.
Not everyone with a hydro has a ground level vertical option.
Handling size is limited by the person, not the machine (within practical parameters).

Just as an example round size really doesn't matter to me, my work revolves around dealing with the wood no matter the size. I've made and moved rounds you would have to haul on a truck with oversize load signs unless they were broken up. So the point is it becomes relative. It isn't as much an issue of machine as it an overall look at the logistics of making firewood.

Getting rounds to a splitter, taking the splitter to the rounds, rounds coming from a stack, or rounds being spread on the ground is largely immaterial to splitter production; it can be very important to overall production. I've worked it all ways, rounds dumped in a pile, rounds stacked up in a neat row, make a few rounds and then split them, rounds out of truck, rounds out of a loader, rounds quartered or even eighthed with a saw, you name it and I've probably done it. Splitter time is very important to me and my kinetic splitter is my fastest way of making split firewood.

It might be a surprise, but I use as little machinery as possible because turning the key takes time and costs money. There are times when it's just me, a saw or two, and a couple of axes. Wham bam, thank you ma'am, and I have another cord of wood to sell. Most recent example was a long straight D. Fir with few branches. Dropped it, homeowner picked up the brush; I just bucked and split and loaded split wood. Couple hours later I left with a bit over a cord of wood to sell later and I got paid to take down the tree. Grossed $200 an hour on that gig. If I'd had a Super Splitter I could tow behind the truck it would have been $400 an hour.:D

So, it comes back to this. A hydro is often better than an axe but slower than a kinetic. Just simple physics there. If a guy has a trusty hydro unit that is meeting his needs than great, more power to him, I'm happy for him, it's good.

But if said guy comes along and says "I don't need anything more and I don't believe these other machines that I've no personal experience with work the way other people claim they do." Well, I've got a problem with that. Sure a kinetic might not fit the way you make firewood, but it sure works good for a lot of people, several of whom are in this thread and telling you so.



Mr. HE:cool:

So is there is isn't there a kinetic log splitter that will work in vertical mode ,with the wood still close to the ground.
If not , they shall always remain worthless to me.

It is my hope, that anyone considering buying a kinetic will investigate whether it is able to work heavy wood from the ground or not.
 
So is there is isn't there a kinetic log splitter that will work in vertical mode ,with the wood still close to the ground.
If not , they shall always remain worthless to me.

It is my hope, that anyone considering buying a kinetic will investigate whether it is able to work heavy wood from the ground or not.

If that is an issue for someone then it is a factor they need to consider whatever type they are looking at.

Most splitters do not allow that.
 
Would anyone be willing to take some photos and measurements of the original head, or the one that they have built?

I could really use some help here.
 
[video=youtube;rZuy0Py_AZc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZuy0Py_AZc[/video]

There is a video.
 
So is there is isn't there a kinetic log splitter that will work in vertical mode ,with the wood still close to the ground.
If not , they shall always remain worthless to me.

It is my hope, that anyone considering buying a kinetic will investigate whether it is able to work heavy wood from the ground or not.

That being the case, a kinetic splitter is not for you. :msp_mellow:
 
If that is an issue for someone then it is a factor they need to consider whatever type they are looking at.

Most splitters do not allow that.

Home depot sells 12 differant gasoline splitters online....only one is horizontal mode only. 11 are vertical/horizontal.

Lowes sells 6 differant gasoline splitters online, all 6 are vertical/ horizontal
 
So is there is isn't there a kinetic log splitter that will work in vertical mode ,with the wood still close to the ground.
If not , they shall always remain worthless to me.

It is my hope, that anyone considering buying a kinetic will investigate whether it is able to work heavy wood from the ground or not.

For the first part... No vertical kinetic splitter that I know of. Well, there is that youtube video of the one that has wedges welded to a giant (6ft plus) flywheel. Kinda dangerous but I guess it is a kinetic splitter.

And for the second part of you post... Really? !!!! :msp_smile: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :msp_smile:
 
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Home depot sells 12 different gasoline splitters on-line....only one is horizontal mode only. 11 are vertical/horizontal.

Lowes sells 6 different gasoline splitters on-line, all 6 are vertical/ horizontal

I am not sure what your point is, if you are comparing production none of the big box store products would be in this category.

Timberwolf, a well respected name in the hydraulic field, sell one horizontal/vertical I think.

I have a neighbour who has an MTD and 4 or 5 cords left to split, would take them a lot of time and I could do it in a morning so I will go and help.
 
I own a 35 ton Speeco splitter and am very happy with it but I do not need to turn out tons of split wood a year. With out a question this splitter will turn out more splits by far then my Speeco. With that said ALL of the splits being produce in the above video is being split from small straight grained rounds. Also the size of ALL of the spits being pushed through at such a rapid rate would only be good for kindling in my OWB. Until someone post a video of this machine splitting some solid wavy grained elm I am still having a hard time believing all of the "It will split anything I throw on there." comments.
 
I own a 35 ton Speeco splitter and am very happy with it but I do not need to turn out tons of split wood a year. With out a question this splitter will turn out more splits by far then my Speeco. With that said ALL of the splits being produce in the above video is being split from small straight grained rounds. Also the size of ALL of the spits being pushed through at such a rapid rate would only be good for kindling in my OWB. Until someone post a video of this machine splitting some solid wavy grained elm I am still having a hard time believing all of the "It will split anything I throw on there." comments.

It really comes down to the size of wood one splits and what works best for the individual.

The Super Split is by far the best splitter I've ever used, or seen. For my use! Which is
Stove Wood! No OWB here! But I wouldn't take a Speedpro if it was free! :msp_smile:

Wow, we really have got off topic on this Speedpro thread....
 

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