Falling pics 11/25/09

[Skeans]

Never worked it personally but looked closely. Mine was the 480. there's a bunch of them around here. I like the design, wish they would change hose routing. Only trouble I've heard of is with chain tension, but I think that's worked iut

Once in a blue mine is a pain in the butt to retract even with a bar. I don’t know why they don’t do 360 on all the heads like the landing heads. It’s nice to finally multi stem when I’m in dog hair though.


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[InfiniteJest]

Pretty good going this week.

 

[Westboastfaller]

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Me thinks you (or anyone) that attempts to duplicate what you saw by a known pro faller: should be able to talk intelligently about it. (what the particular cut is for, what you were trying to accomplish exactly and what went wrong....or ask for help anytime. Beforehand preferably.

Try throwing a small snipe in the face or start with a Humboldt then block it'll help kick the tree off the stump as well as keep the twist out of it.

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[Westboastfaller]

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Ash is not what I normally work with, so there has been a lot of trials.
I was able to do a siswheel on this tree (I think)it was leaning to the spruce tree on the left and I managed to pull it around. I put a piece of the face cut wedge in the opposite corner.
So my day was 3 trees felled, skid 10-10' -12' logs. 2-16' firewood logs and one whole tree top. Not a bad day for me.

Brother, you are an accident waiting to happen. You break every deadly Timber Falling sin there is on a regular basis from what I can see apart from domino falling. You honestly need to learn from grade 1 page 1. You can tell a boxer 100 times to keep his hands up, tuck his chin & elbows, don't stand in front of him, circle from his power hand ect. but he won't listen until he picks himself off the canvas. You don't want to attempt to learn this through pain. While you are studying, I would practice making Falling cuts. You can make a jig to stand up 4 ft sections on the old stump. Cut a slightly tapered triangle female across the stump then the male from the butt and knock it in with your falling axe. You should be able to tell if your saw is level with your eyes shut from any of your regular falling positions. Practice that with the same saw and bar. and transition through different positions. Get some K&H wedges (10" & 12") learn to be good at it. f* all the rest of the ****. Learn & perfect the basics properly. Study up bar and chain maintenance. Ask as many questions as possible.

 

[woodfarmer]

I had to drop a nice ash from my yard today. Top was split and could land on my neighbors new garage so it had to go.

Oh great @Westboastfaller , how does my stump look any different this this fellows?
I picked up a fair bit of great advice from Northman, bitzer, skeans to name a few, I don’t just run out and cut a tree down after watching a video.

 

[Gologit]

Is it just the camera angle or is your back cut slanted?

 

[Canyon Angler]

Makin a hole

Northmanlogging - At 7:15 in your video, it looked like you were trying to fall the tree just outside the frame on the left. I kept waiting for it to fall, but it didn't. Then you went off and dropped the cedar in the center of the frame. I figured you were just giving the tree on the left more time to fall before fussing with it again. But then you went and limbed the cedar where it looked like you were in the drop zone for the cut-but-still-standing tree.

What am I missing?

 

[Westboastfaller]

Since you started posting here in late Dec 2017; I Don'T believe you have one stump that meets an acceptable standard. Mostly, you don't have holding wood on each corner. This is out of aprox 25 stumps. One or two, you cut off deliberately and one was good but you were 1/2 second away from a full on barber chair because you didn't open the undercut enough. Leaving cut up trees, not brushing out saplings, falling into standing timber, we can only assume you don't brush out safety trail, look up, make full assessments,fall snags ect, and as mentioned, bad cuts, obstructing the undercut in frozen wood with a species that you admittedly didn't have much experience in. Way too little experience all around to even think about doing that. That's bad judgement for a faller to show that on the internet,IMO. Not a fan of that. I didn't sit and scrutinize your work. I saw bad work at first glance and moved on. Having said that, The first two prerequisites to making nice cuts are first, having a saw that cuts straight and the ability to recognize when the saw is level. That I am wrong about. At a second look, you show skills and do very good with CONSISTENTLY levelling. Even at a very low cut. 1) A true cutting saw, 2) level cuts, 3) precise cuts. Looks like you are at number 3 when it comes to falling cuts. In the whole realm of things, falling cuts are about 15% of being a good faller. Feelings has got nothing to do with it, on the hill or here. Take what you can get from people and put it in your bag of tricks and leave the rest of the Bs 'on the hill at the end of the job, the shift, the day. Tomorrows another day.

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A few more stumps

Don;t know if that dutchy bypass was part of Logger Wades lesson, but seems like getting those face cuts cleaned up would be a better idea than the fancy cutting.

Couldn't agree more

I think Experience encourages Logic, where inexperience hugs The Side of Resisting Change.

^^^NEEDED TO BE SAID AGAIN

Good judgement comes from experience and experience come from bad judgement.

The human condition makes you wonder?

 

[Westboastfaller]

it looked like you were in the drop zone for the cut-but-still-standing tree.

What am I missing?

Yes

 

[Westboastfaller]

He wasn't falling the Doug fir sweeper, Likely it was a little snag that was just out of the camera. Look at the canopy as he is standing behind the tree waiting for his canopy to settle...then some..then he comes out.
That's two thumbs up.

*EDIT...APPARENTLY I MISSED SOMETHING...have to look again.

 

[northmanlogging]

Northmanlogging - At 7:15 in your video, it looked like you were trying to fall the tree just outside the frame on the left. I kept waiting for it to fall, but it didn't. Then you went off and dropped the cedar in the center of the frame. I figured you were just giving the tree on the left more time to fall before fussing with it again. But then you went and limbed the cedar where it looked like you were in the drop zone for the cut-but-still-standing tree.

What am I missing?

Twas an alder that got hung hard in that ugly fir, wasn't going anywhere without help.

Got it later with the excavator.

 

[Westboastfaller]

Oh great @Westboastfaller , how does my stump look any different this fellow?
I picked up a fair bit of great advice from Northman, bitzer, skeans to name a few, I don’t just run out and cut a tree down after watching a video.

We can organize him/her. Run 'em through a database and see if they are a perpetual offender? Just let me go get my glasses and have a better look. OK, It says he's just about from the south. That's not really what you want to set your standards by, is it?

Just jokin'
That's Mike, he's like a role model to kids.
That's the first time I've seen one of his stumps. It looks like it would grade a 15 out of 15 had it not been for the little bypass
cut on the far side. doubt it's bigger than his pinkie....N THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.

 

[Canyon Angler]

Twas an alder that got hung hard in that ugly fir, wasn't going anywhere without help.

Got it later with the excavator.

Thanks. That explains why it looked like another tree, in the center of the frame but further out, was shaking. I couldn't figure out what was going on.

I notice you guys really do clean up the remaining hinge wood on the stumps and on the logs, just like in the BC Safety videos. Is cleaning up the hinge wood on stumps a way to reduce tripping hazards? (I don't remember what the BC Safety guy said was the reason for doing it...)

 

[Trx250r180]

Them stump pics you quoted Jamie ,

 

[northmanlogging]

Thanks. That explains why it looked like another tree, in the center of the frame but further out, was shaking. I couldn't figure out what was going on.

I notice you guys really do clean up the remaining hinge wood on the stumps and on the logs, just like in the BC Safety videos. Is cleaning up the hinge wood on stumps a way to reduce tripping hazards? (I don't remember what the BC Safety guy said was the reason for doing it...)

Legend has it that dudes can trip and get impaled by the slivers, heard of several folks dying from it.

Also it looks better, more professional and stuff

 

[Canyon Angler]

Ow, hadn't thought of that. Thanks.

 

[madhatte]

I am always annoyed when I see slivers left on a stump. It just looks unprofessional, like the cutter doesn't care about his work or about who comes in behind. I did seedling survival surveys on a clearcut on Simpson ground out in Grisdale country 20-some years ago where all of the stumps had the mohawks left. That sucked because it was a 3-year survey and the slash was soft enough to not support my weight well, and my preference for covering that kind of ground is to jump from stump to stump. Can't do that if the stumps are all spiny death traps.

 

[bitzer]

Yep bugs me too. I always trim the whiskers. And cut 98% of the spring poles and busted off stuff and pull down the hung up tops and etc... When I see other loggers that don't it just looks like crap.

 

[Skeans]

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[northmanlogging]

^^ ick