261 c-m running LEAN?

[Brent Nowell]

New saw you say? Take it back to the dealer!

This is why I had bought my 562 with the 3 bottles of fuel giving me an extra year warranty!
This is why I’m keeping it bone stock!

I advise other people with mtronic/auto tune to do the same. If you read the warranty information and what they cover, even a simple muffler mod will void the warranty. If you admit to changing the mix ratio, warranty void. If you modify the emissions equip or the saw in any way, warranty void....
Really sucks but it’s true

 

[EchoRomeoCharlie]

This is why I had bought my 562 with the 3 bottles of fuel giving me an extra year warranty!
This is why I’m keeping it bone stock!

I advise other people with mtronic/auto tune to do the same. If you read the warranty information and what they cover, even a simple muffler mod will void the warranty. If you admit to changing the mix ratio, warranty void. If you modify the emissions equip or the saw in any way, warranty void....
Really sucks but it’s true

I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to sell a product that I put millions into the engineering and manufacturing of, have some guy get wild with a dremel because he watched a video on YouTube. Or decides he's smarter than my engineers and runs his own oil ratio with some unknown oil. His modifications cause damage, and now I have to give him a new product or fix it on my dime? No. Not a chance. I warranty MY product. Not the product you produced after mucking with it.

 

[Brent Nowell]

I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to sell a product that I put millions into the engineering and manufacturing of, have some guy get wild with a dremel because he watched a video on YouTube. Or decides he's smarter than my engineers and runs his own oil ratio with some unknown oil. His modifications cause damage, and now I have to give him a new product or fix it on my dime? No. Not a chance. I warranty MY product. Not the product you produced after mucking with it.

Lol

Good point as well

 

[MountainHigh]

hmmm ... where's my fluffin dremel!

Ya, I also always wait until saws are off warranty before gutting muffler and fiddling. My huskies have always thrived on 40/1 but this saw seems to be happier on 50/1.

Saw is back and running decent. They flashed its software, looked at cylinder and reset. It needed a few real hard drop starts to get her to cough hard enough to run and warm up. I cut a few cookies easily and will keep an ear out for burble out of the cut. Fingers crossed!

 

[farmer steve]

hmmm ... where's my fluffin dremel!

Ya, I also always wait until saws are off warranty before gutting muffler and fiddling. My huskies have always thrived on 40/1 but this saw seems to be happier on 50/1.

Saw is back and running decent. They flashed its software, looked at cylinder and reset. It needed a few real hard drop starts to get her to cough hard enough to run and warm up. I cut a few cookies easily and will keep an ear out for burble out of the cut. Fingers crossed!

Was just thinking of you. I Was out noodling with mine to clean up some stuff from the GTG the other week. Glad to hear yours is up and going. I hadn't run mine since the gtg and it took 7 pulls to get it going. My old 026 is 6 or 7 pulls though.

 

[MountainHigh]

Was just thinking of you. I Was out noodling with mine to clean up some stuff from the GTG the other week. Glad to hear yours is up and going. I hadn't run mine since the gtg and it took 7 pulls to get it going. My old 026 is 6 or 7 pulls though.

Thanks Steve .... are those 7 pulls after it being put away run dry?

Mine seems to want a HARD snap drop start when cold, and is not content to fire with steady medium exertion pulls. Have tried with decomp and without. Hoping it becomes somewhat more compliant after more tanks through. Warm restart is working easily on 1 drop start pull.

 

[Fatherwheels]

Thanks Steve .... are those 7 pulls after it being put away run dry?

Mine seems to want a HARD snap drop start when cold, and is not content to fire with steady medium exertion pulls. Have tried with decomp and without. Hoping it becomes somewhat more compliant after more tanks through.

Shouldn’t need snapped to start, the ignition module knows to adjust for starting
unless it’s shot, or The solenoid is playing up, and has just enough fuel
to run but making it difficult to start, something sounds off.

I bought a new MS 362, wasn’t happy with the way it started from
day one, on day 4 I sold it because I knew the nightmare I would
have explaining it took too many pulls to start a new saw to the dealer,
I wouldn’t care for this, and I didn’t fancy doing my elbow in either.
I don’t own any MT or AT saws now.

 

[farmer steve]

Thanks Steve .... are those 7 pulls after it being put away run dry?

Mine seems to want a HARD snap drop start when cold, and is not content to fire with steady medium exertion pulls. Have tried with decomp and without. Hoping it becomes somewhat more compliant after more tanks through. Warm restart is working easily on 1 drop start pull.

It wasn't put away dry. Last day ran was October 26. Stihl had some fuel in the tank that's why I ran it today. I'll keep ya posted on future start ups.

 

[farmer steve]

Shouldn’t need snapped to start, the ignition module knows to adjust for starting
unless it’s shot, or The solenoid is playing up, and has just enough fuel
to run but making it difficult to start, something sounds off.

I bought a new MS 362, wasn’t happy with the way it started from
day one, on day 4 I sold it because I knew the nightmare I would
have explaining it took too many pulls to start a new saw to the dealer,
I wouldn’t care for this, and I didn’t fancy doing my elbow in either.
I don’t own any MT or AT saws now.

How many tanks did you run thru it in 3 days?

 

[MountainHigh]

Shouldn’t need snapped to start, the ignition module knows to adjust for starting
unless it’s shot, or The solenoid is playing up, and has just enough fuel
to run but making it difficult to start, something sounds off.

I bought a new MS 362, wasn’t happy with the way it started from
day one, on day 4 I sold it because I knew the nightmare I would
have explaining it took too many pulls to start a new saw to the dealer,
I wouldn’t care for this, and I didn’t fancy doing my elbow in either.
I don’t own any MT or AT saws now.

Thanks for that feedback.... I'm going outside right now and see if it will start with medium exertion pulls.

 

[Fatherwheels]

How many tanks did you run thru it in 3 days?

None, the dam thing was too hard to start, I tried it about ten times over the three days,
just no way I could be bothered with that, then when cold weather would set in,
matters were not going to get better, it always eventually started,
but I want my saws to fire on two pulls, and start on one or two more.

 

[farmer steve]

None, the dam thing was too hard to start, I tried it about ten times over the three days,
just no way I could be bothered with that, then when cold weather would set in,
matters were not going to get better.

I want my saws to fire on two pulls, and start on one or two more.

If I got rid of my saws that didn't start on a couple of pulls I wouldn't have any. I was at my saw shop last week bsing with my mechanic about a members saw. A guy came in with a MS 290 and said that sounds like my problem. Said he couldn't get it started . I walked him through the start up procedure and I fired it right up. Made a few cuts in the test log and handed it to him. His reply. Operator error. Sorry for the derail @MountainHigh

 

[MountainHigh]

ok ... just tried to pull it over, 8 pulls medium exertion (cold saw) with decomp pressed, she wouldn't fire.
Tried again another 8 pulls, shoulder getting sore again earlier now ... no go, no start.

Then did one hard snap drop saw and she started right up.

Ran saw for a minute fine, turned off, pressed decomp and drop snapped, again she started.
Turned off.
Did NOT press decomp and drop snapped, again she started.

Ran another minute - turned off. Warm saw now, pressed decomp in, pulled normal 10 times - no start!
Drop saw hard snap again, she started.

Growing to dislike this saw .... grrrr

in case anyone is wondering, I have the correct start procedure and it is same as my saw shop uses on m-tronics. I've owned a dozen saws over the years and have never had this problem, and no, I don't have a dainty normal saw arm pull

 

[MountainHigh]

None, the dam thing was too hard to start, I tried it about ten times over the three days,
just no way I could be bothered with that, then when cold weather would set in,
matters were not going to get better, it always eventually started,
but I want my saws to fire on two pulls, and start on one or two more.

What did you end up buying to replace the 362., Makita/Dolmar are a breeze to start. At least my little one is.

 

[farmer steve]

None, the dam thing was too hard to start, I tried it about ten times over the three days,
just no way I could be bothered with that, then when cold weather would set in,
matters were not going to get better, it always eventually started,
but I want my saws to fire on two pulls, and start on one or two more.

They won't start without gas. Just bustin yer balls whinbush. I guess I'm just lucky to have some good running saws.

 

[farmer steve]

ok ... just tried to pull it over, 8 pulls medium exertion (cold saw) with decomp pressed, she wouldn't fire.
Tried again another 8 pulls, shoulder getting sore again earlier now ... no go, no start.

Then did one hard snap drop saw and she started right up.

Ran saw for a minute fine, turned off, pressed decomp and drop snapped, again she started.
Turned off.
Did NOT press decomp and drop snapped, again she started.

Ran another minute - turned off. Warm saw now, pressed decomp in, pulled normal 10 times - no start!
Drop saw hard snap again, she started.

Growing to dislike this saw .... grrrr

in case anyone is wondering, I have the correct start procedure and it is same as my saw shop uses on m-tronics. I've owned a dozen saws over the years and have never had this problem, and no, I don't have a dainty normal saw arm pull

Just a thought. Next time try it without the decomp on a warm saw.

 

[Fatherwheels]

They won't start without gas. Just bustin yer balls whinbush. I guess I'm just lucky to have some good running saws.

There does seem to be differences in these saws, some work well and some not so.
That’s a great tip for starting them though, saves towing them, gas, who would have thought it.
It’s going to make them heavy too, suppose I can dump it out once I get them started,
must be what that lid on the side is for, no fools them Germans.

 

[MountainHigh]

Just a thought. Next time try it without the decomp on a warm saw.

ya I think I did, but will try the whole routine again tomorrow for clarity.

 

[MountainHigh]

There does seem to be differences in these saws, some work well and some not so.
That’s a great tip for starting them though, saves towing them, gas, who would have thought it.
It’s going to make them heavy too, suppose I can dump it out once I get them started,
must be what that lid on the side is for, no fools them Germans.

I'll know who to call when I need a good snappy come back.

this is true: There does seem to be differences in these saws, some work well and some not so.

 

[Fatherwheels]

I'll know who to call when I need a good snappy come back.

this is true: There does seem to be differences in these saws, some work well and some not so.

Considering these saws are quite expensive, at least for a lot of
people, it would be good to hear they finally got this MT sorted.
Sales must surely take a beating when people read about the issues
as they do their research. I would like to have a saw that the carb
didn’t need adjusted on, but for now I will just stick with the old design, that works,
I would imagine the dealers were happier with it too.