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Are you talking about the JIB winch or a winch mounted to the bucket truck itself?
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Are you talking about the JIB winch or a winch mounted to the bucket truck itself?
Truck mounted, I've got an Altec LR 3 rear mount on a 97 c-7500 with Marmon Herrington all wheel drive conversion, it has front and rear pto winches. I cant figure what you could hook it to if you were burried that it would'nt destroy. Big a$$ed truck.
Or you could bring out the cashiers from Wal-Mart with their smiley face blue smocks..........Hell!! have em bring their kids, toddlers on up!!! use the work site for a kids climb.........get out there Bobby!!! yep...no!! the real saw put your pacifier away!!! (yelled out by super trimmer) as Bobby starts to
the low bidding hack sends up his teenage son with the mighty poulan wild thing!! go....faster, faster, yep! just cut it off.......watch the house!!As the day closes "super trimmer" & "low bid hack" & company managed to stub up the tree, rip off a gutter & paid the HO only $50.00.......what a good day!!!
While driving down the road, Super trimmer tells low bid hack when I get another week or two under my belt.....those real legit tree companies are gonna feel the pain.....I just gotta tell my Day job boss at the sewage plant when that day comes he be gettin my notice!!!
This story will be handed down to all aspiring to be great, it shall be carved in every stone & oblisque......told for many years So let it be said, So let it be written!!.
Now in the not so distant future Bobby is all grown up!! he works by day at the Family dollar store & by night................Yep!! Super Trimmer with his trusty sidekick Low ball Hack!!
The saga continues!!
LXT...............LMFAO
Aint you supposed to be workin Brady?Lol, just kidding.
Work... schmirk.... I'm just sitting here dreaming up new ways to P1SS off the "real" tree services some more!
Awe c`mon
so which are you? "Super trimmer" or "Low ball Hack" LOL.you can relate to that smiley face & blue smock uhh? Ive probably got socks with more tree exp. than you have....LMFAO
So what was it with my story that I got wrong concerning you & Blake?
LXT.............
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Traslation= 30 years of weekend warrior'n it up/wood pig+low balling hack.
P1ssed off
Nah, I find you funny, you work 4 outta 7 days doing your day job which involves, planning, arbitrating, construction site Mgt, etc... & then you wanna bust me & others B@lls for being legit full time tree services...LOL
I was wrong you`re neither a "super trimmer" or "Low ball Hack" your Mike Brady with a chainsaw & Alice as a groundman!! yepper a real Pro, tell Marsha I said Hi..........LMFAO
my story about Bobby was right on!!LXT..................
Ahhh, the visuals,lol (cough,cough).P1ssed off
Nah, I find you funny, you work 4 outta 7 days doing your day job which involves, planning, arbitrating, construction site Mgt, etc... & then you wanna bust me & others B@lls for being legit full time tree services...LOL
LXT..................
10 years of tree work prior to deciding to make some money... Was working for someone else and not in a position to start my own tree service, so I went for Door #2 - Architecture. It pays the bills and keeps me and the kids "secure" while allowing me time and opportunity to still spend time in the trees (my real passion). While I may not be the Tree God that you, and several others here, are, I get a lot of time in tough removal jobs. My past work has created a good "word of mouth" advertising package for me. While you guys are quoting old posts, take note of the part wher I can pick and choose. Trust me, there are many days I'd rather be in your shoes than doing the desk jockey routine 4 days a week!
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I'm a small tree service as you can see by my signature below. Been in business full time going on my 9th year. I love working for myself. I employ only one groundie who has been with me 3 years now. We only specialize in tree and stump removal ,with pruning only a third of the business. Every year sales are increasing by 10 %+. And I love this business because if the customer is willing to spend money on a tree he usually has money and is going to pay you.I only had one customer in 8 years who didn't pay and that was only $200. Look at all the retail business guys who go broke from non paying customers. I think us tree guys have a good thing going here.
No I don't want to get any bigger, the only addition I might do is buy the new Vermeer mini skid 400tx with a grapple and store it along side the chipper and put the 252 grinder in the back of the pickup. I don't mind the part time hacks they actually make me look more professional . Thats where the money is those high skilled pruning and removal jobs. There was one part time hack here who advertised in his newspaper ads $60 hr. for tree removal with his old beat up bucket trucket. Wasn't long his tired old truck mysteriously burnt up and I last heard his wife left him. Thems the breaks.
No I don't want to get any bigger, the only addition I might do is buy the new Vermeer mini skid 400tx with a grapple and store it along side the chipper and put the 252 grinder in the back of the pickup. I don't mind the part time hacks they actually make me look more professional . Thats where the money is those high skilled pruning and removal jobs. There was one part time hack here who advertised in his newspaper ads $60 hr. for tree removal with his old beat up bucket trucket. Wasn't long his tired old truck mysteriously burnt up and I last heard his wife left him. Thems the breaks.
P1ssed off
Nah, I find you funny, you work 4 outta 7 days doing your day job which involves, planning, arbitrating, construction site Mgt, etc... & then you wanna bust me & others B@lls for being legit full time tree services...LOL
LXT..................
For the record, Mr High and Mighty, the ball busting has come from you. I have been trying to point out a difference between "under bidding" and "low balling". If you had sniffed less 2 cycle, you would be able to retain that (repeated) part of my posts. (Stating it again...) The situation here in NC is that there is a problem with "real" tree services OVER bidding jobs to cover their own poor business decissions to take on more debt than they can handle.
My guess is Alice would have too much mouth to work as a groundsman for you, since you have to be right and have the last dig.
Now its 10 years a far cry from 30, If I counted going out with dad....hell Id have a ton more time to add to my bio. too.
you chose door #2 because it paid the bills......then stick with that nothing wrong with being an architect (sounds important) you gave up on tree work & now find the need to infiltrate the field pickin & choosing (no doubt easy stuff) while leaving others & myself with all the nice ones!!! cause I highly doubt you & your boys are doing many big ones with your 3 days of tree time.
Look, I love my job & my biz, I have mustered through the good & bad times... thats dedication, perserverance & belief that I can make it, Now I gotta compete with new startups & tree dropouts......master one trade & leave the others to those who love & wish to master them!!
If architect was your choice to pay the bills & it provides well for you, why the need to do something you gave up on? It didnt make you money then....trust me it wont make you money now, too many like you doing the same thing. jmho
LXT............
TDunk
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HOLY CR@P. You can try and hook to old sherman tank but you might be able to move that too. The thing i'd be worried about is the winch tearing right off the truck if it's stuck to bad. Good luck (trying to find an anchor for your bahimith)
Mcfly.....their not overbidding, they have operational expenses, Insurance, W.comp, medicare, SS, Medicaid, U employment, software & book keeping, maintenance, etc.... things you dont have or know any thing about!!When was your last quarterly audit?
This gets figured into the bid............shame when things slow down their guys get laid off, but you, Alice, jane, peter & the gang get to go to your little pay the bills Architect job!! cause your a quitter, it gets tough and you choose door # 2 (Bob Barker voice).
Im not trying to be right or get the last dig in "Mike" cooool down, dont get your blueprints soiled!!! guys like you are what ruin the industry which is probably why you chose door # 2 cause your boss had to compete with guys like you............
LXT.............
TDunk
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Not to change the subject, but i just bought a Ford F-8000 utility truck with a 42 ft. Asplundh boom on it (LB-42 is the model number i think) I didn't know if they had any major probs. with those booms or not. A crane opp. i know looked at it and said everything was in real good shape, but i didn't know if there should be anything specific i should look for/be aware of. The other question i had is how much side reach i should be able to do safely. It has four outriggers. The sister truck to the one i bought was 4X4 (not sure if it was a conversion or not) but it towered over mine and i think GVW on it was 35K i think. One big SOB.
You asked about the "hands on training"... that was the 10 years prior to moving into architecture (22 years ago). I have never stopped doing tree work, so have no need to "infiltrate the field". I negotiated a 4 day work week in order to continue doing the tree work. If you had read my other posts, you would notice that I only do removals and mostly tough ones requiring climbing where no bucket truck has access. I also pointed out that if a job is better done with bucket or crane, I turn it over to those so equipped. We do, however do quite a few large ones. In the past few weeks, some of what we have done: a 56" DBH silver maple (over a house, a shed and a fence); a pair of 52"+ DBH willow oaks (partially over a house); a 38" DBH red oak (with lightening damaged core and near a house on the lean side); 30+ pines along a fence line (8"-22" DBH); and several wind damage clean up jobs. We may be part-time, but we aren't the "Bubba's Tree and Tax Service" type guys I've referred to.
Tree service didn't make me money then... because I was an employee being paid less than fair wage. Tree service makes money for me now because I bid smart and choose jobs that other people can't do as well. Sorry... I'm not doing the crap that makes you so mad. I guess my attempt to show the difference between underbidding and lowballing failed to get the point across.
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Lol, thats pretty much what I was thinking. I call it "Stubs" because its so high and short at the same time. Thing is an awesome marketing tool, draws more attn. than a 75 footer for only 50k. Its gonna scare the pi$$ out of those other buckets down at the gas station too, lol.
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