My 2100CD beats my 2007 395 xp

[Boleclimber]

I bought a 2100 CD off craigslist a few weeks ago. It needed a fuel line and brake band; Baileys sent me the wrong fuel line but it worked well enough to get some action out of the saw.

I dropped a 18" white ash with the 2100 and bucked it some. I then got out a 2007 model 395xp that I purchased last winter (first time using it). The 2100 beat the 395 hands down. I was very surprised by this.

The 395 is going to get a ported muffler shortly; getting beat is not allowed!

I am going to put an 8 pin sprocket on the 2100. Do you think the clutch will handle an 8 pin with 24" bar in oak?

 

[PES+]

Absolutely.......just check your shoes and springs for wear.

 

[PES+]

And that 2100 will whomp that 395 unless you are ready to spend some money to get it up to even close to the 2100.......it just weighs almost twice as much......or feels like it does.

 

[Freakingstang]

not surprising the 2100 beat the 395. They are good runners

All the 2100's, 2101's, and 298 xp saws I ever saw around here had 24" with 8 pin rims. We don't have hardly any softwoods.

A lot of guys like the 2100's for the mill setups. Should pull a 24" in oak fine, unless it is low on compression or has other problems.

 

[Boleclimber]

Thanks for the reassurance. I had originally planned on repairing the saw and selling it for a profit. After running it there is no way I would sell.

People can say what they want about the 2100 being old and parts hard to find; the are worth the effort.

By the way it is a thick ring saw.

 

[SawTroll]

No surprices here......

 

[Freakingstang]

Thanks for the reassurance. I had originally planned on repairing the saw and selling it for a profit. After running it there is no way I would sell.

People can say what they want about the 2100 being old and parts hard to find; the are worth the effort.

By the way it is a thick ring saw.

The thick ring saws are still awesome. The racers like the thin rings because they have less parasitic drag loss. the thin rings don't last as long for work saws.

I wish I still had the one I bought a couple years ago...fixed it and sold it for very little profit.

 

[B_Turner]

Not disagreeing (never ran a 2100) but I will say my 395 got much stronger over maybe 15 tanks. I was a little disappointed when I first bought it power wise as I already had an 066. In the end they became about equal.

 

[joesawer]

I bought a 2100 CD off craigslist a few weeks ago. It needed a fuel line and brake band; Baileys sent me the wrong fuel line but it worked well enough to get some action out of the saw.

I dropped a 18" white ash with the 2100 and bucked it some. I then got out a 2007 model 395xp that I purchased last winter (first time using it). The 2100 beat the 395 hands down. I was very surprised by this.

The 395 is going to get a ported muffler shortly; getting beat is not allowed!

I am going to put an 8 pin sprocket on the 2100. Do you think the clutch will handle an 8 pin with 24" bar in oak?

Did you notice how much LOUDER the 2100 is?
Welcome to the world of EPA saws.
The 395 is a better design and has potential for a lot more power than stock and still be very reliable.
Not to take anything from a 2100, they are strong, but I can get more power out of the 395.

 

[PES+]

I'll take that bet.......

The 2100 cases and crank will take MUCH higher loads than the 395 period......

 

[joesawer]

I'll take that bet.......

The 2100 cases and crank will take MUCH higher loads than the 395 period......

The 2100 crank and cases are hevier, no doubt. But with the increased weight rotating I am not sure that they will stand more power out put. My trouble has been with the cylinder to crankcase seal, not the crank.
With an expansion chamber to help feed the saw a 2100 might be better, but the 395 is so much more effecient that it is fairly easy to out perform a 2100 with a muffler.

 

[PES+]

How is it more efficient?

Just curious how you are thinking on that......yes the 2100 piston is about 50 pounds overweight but that is easily remedied.

I assume you are meaning the porting?...... The 2100 was not as bad as you might think

 

[PES+]

Don't confuse acceleration out of the cut with actual cutting speed becase they do not at all correlate.

The 395 "feels" stronger and faster but the cutting is another matter.

Stock for stock they will be fairly close....but modded the 2100 will keep gaining when the 395 cases give up and spin bearings

 

[joesawer]

The stock 2100 has pretty good port timing, better than the 395. The 395 port timing and compression are easily fixed.
The 395crank case volume and dual transfers make filling the cylinder with clean fresh charge easier.
Case volume and dual transfers would be difficult to change on a 2100.
Make no mistake I think a 2100 is a great and powerful saw. It was a huge step forward in power and technology in its time.

 

[PES+]

A stroker advantage......and yes.....stuffing the cases is important on a 2100

 

[joesawer]

Don't confuse acceleration out of the cut with actual cutting speed becase they do not at all correlate.

The 395 "feels" stronger and faster but the cutting is another matter.

Stock for stock they will be fairly close....but modded the 2100 will keep gaining when the 395 cases give up and spin bearings

I have out cut several 2100's with a 395 in timed cuts. some of them have been much more modified and higher stressed. One had a squish set at .006.
Power is all about burning fuel. The more fuel and air you can get to actually push the piston down, the more power you can make.
IMO, the heavier rotating assembly would be more likely to spin a bearing. It also requires more power to keep spinning.

 

[hoss]

The 2100 beat the 395 hands down. Do you think the clutch will handle an 8 pin with 24" bar in oak?[/QUOTE]

No suprise on the first part and absolutely on the second part, oh yeah!

The 2100 is one of the true bad mamma jamma's that I've run. I run a 36" 3/8 full comp chisel on mine in almost all hardwoods and it it unstoppable. I should admit though that my 540 homie has been getting a little more run time than the 2100 ( no particular reason, just didn't want to see the 540 sitting) lately.

 

[PES+]

I'd like to see a stock 2100 piston that someone tried to run at .006 squish......you guys must have some serious fuel down that way

 

[spacemule]

Doesn't the 2100 have 5 cc's on the 395?

 

[PES+]

5 CCs does not amount to much of anything in a saw that large