Firewood bucking/splitting rate

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First off as for the other thread where I say my price is my price, you missed the whole point of what I was trying to say.
It doesnt matter what your point is or was.
Yes I do have to make something or what’s the point. But my price is set by the cost of operation and an hourly rate I need to survive. Say (hypothetically) after my operating cost I make 10 dollars an hour, if my operating costs go up just a little bit and I end up making 9 dollars an hour, I can swallow that hit for a short time and I won’t raise my price. If it’s a cost that never goes away then I will eventually have to raise my price. Not because I won’t to but because I can’t survive on less then the 10 dollars I was making.

Everybody has operational cost and they must do as you do or shut their doors. It only seems its alright if you cover your cost, but nobody else is allowed to. There is no way you know the operational cost of other businesses, but if they are selling for less than your prices, maybe you should be studying their operations to see how you can lower your cost. You might consider taking some basic business courses to help you see if/where you are losing money or Making money. Just because a lot of money is exchanging hands, doesnt mean you are keeping your fair share.
Then sometimes I get lucky and production cost goes down and I may make 11 dollars an hour. So as the operating cost fluctuates, on average it will work out to 10 dollars an hour. Back to the rate I need to survive.
Welcome to the world of being a business owner. A wise business owner will set something back for the lean times so they dont have to reduce their lifestyle strugging thru the lean times.


Donating wood or sometimes giving someone a break on the price is all I can afford to give with such a small profit margin on firewood. Even though I make very little I still try to give a little back, even if its not very much. At least it’s something.
Good for you, but who are you to judge how much anybody or any business should donate. Judge not less thy be judged also.


As for asking how many cubic feet is in a cord. That doesn’t mean I didn’t know the answer. Maybe I was fishing for other interpatations of what others were doing or using.
Really?


Just because I sometimes look for other work doesn’t mean selling firewood is successful or not. It just means I may want to do something else instead. Nothing wrong with wanting to make a little more when you make so little to begin with, but like I’ve been saying all along there comes a point when your filthy rich that one can afford to do more instead of continuing down the road of just making more money for themselves alone.
I never questioned whether or not your business is successful. What you consider success is only determined by the goals you set for yourself. What I think doesnt matter. The only thing I question is your judgemental attitude of other business people and how they operate their business and the goals they set for themselfs. .
 
Fair enough, everyone is aloud to make there own choices and we could debate this for ever. Some will agree and some won’t. Everyone has there idea of what’s fair and what isn’t.
 
Look! I don’t care how good you are, or how much education you have, no one is worth some of the salaries some of these CEO’s are making. There’s no way anyone can justify one person making that much money. I mean really! How big does your house need to be? How many houses do you need? How many toys do you need?

My point is, once you’re set for life and can live a lavish lifestyle for the remainder of your life, it’s time to share the wealth, at least with the ones that helped you achieve it.

Yes some do give back out of the goodness of there heart, no mater there income. Yet some companies use this as a tax write off more then wanting to help people.

You truly are a hardcore follower of Marx with absolutely no clue about what makes America or western civilization in general work. wow. WTF difference should it make to you...or anyone else for that matter, how much money someone makes?? If some board of directors want to pay Joe Blow $100mil/yr that's their business, not yours. If the shareholders don't like it they can change the board and salary structures. If people don't like the salary structure of a company they have every right not to do business with them, period. Don't like what the CEO makes? don't buy his product! You also, obviously have never, ever owned a business and have absolutely no clue how the business world works. I don't see this as an issue of greed so much as it is an issue of jealousy in those who aren't making the big bucks.

That said I put the majority of blame on the pathetic school systems in this country that have lied to the last 3 generations of students and fed the Marxist/socialist mindset to them w/o teaching anything about the Western system, especially that of America.

This thread really needs to move.
 
Let's see if we can bring this back to firewood. I had my 16 year old son and his buddy working for me yesterday. Since they are both new to operating processor and tractor, I spent much of the afternoon supervising and giving advice. Speed was not expected. I wanted them to focus on safety and technique. They ended up doing about four cords in about 5 hours. How much should I pay them ?
 

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just like any other place you might work ! (DOE) depends on experience... start with minimum wage, with increased production, pay their worth you expect to pay as a fair wage! really it's simple ! you start someone out with a higher wage/pay and there's trouble in the short future.. everyone's wanting more pay with more experience..... where's it end? there is an old saying" money talks and bull$h!t walks" and usually they walk with out a weekly pay increase! lol
 
Yeah I'm thinking 12 bucks an hour. Minimum wage here is around 11 so it's a little better. When their production gets better and if they cam minimize the damage to my equipment I will bump them to 15.
 
Blackdogon57, just don't make the mistake of paying them based on production. You will end up with busted equipment pretty quick. Fine line between using equipment and abusing equipment. I assume your son will step into the business someday, make part of his pay go towards future equipment purchases it'll help him understand it's not all profit.
 
just like any other place you might work ! (DOE) depends on experience... start with minimum wage, with increased production, pay their worth you expect to pay as a fair wage! really it's simple ! you start someone out with a higher wage/pay and there's trouble in the short future.. everyone's wanting more pay with more experience..... where's it end? there is an old saying" money talks and bull$h!t walks" and usually they walk with out a weekly pay increase! lol

I THINK minnie wage here is $7 and change ? don't quote me on that, but I'm not paying ANYBODY that paltry amount of money for any aspect of making wood. It's just too hard a type work to discredit their sweat equity like that in my opinion. Everyone has their own ideas of everything, so's I'm..... just sayin.
 
I do find it interesting you would find my ides so compelling that you would go to all that trouble to look up my past postings to try to disprove my views. I must have really hit a nerve there.lol
Not hitting any nerves. I just wanted to see if yur rants where a common occurance or a one time thing. Since it seems to be a common theme with you after this post I am placeing you on ignore and will no longer see anything you post in the future. GoodBye.
 
What would you guys consider a good cut per cord when your the one bucking and splitting the logs. Keep in mind your using your own saw, bar oil, and gas. Also take into mind the cords are being sold for 300.00

I was going to say 80-85 a cord? I usually can get 2 cord bucked split and into the back of the trucks by days end.

Looking for some input before I give an offer. Thanks.

FWIW
Sounds about right to me , no bs about how much per hour because you are not an employee , if you call a plumbing,electrical or towing company to do a job do you ask what their rate is or do you ask how much they pay their employees ?
You're cutting and splitting on a per volume rate and you have overhead .
A couple of local firewood sellers up here were paying contract cutters 50$ per cord to cut and 35$ to split last year but they supplied the fuel and splitter so they could get people to show up .
If I was to do it with my gear I would have a travel charge or 2 cord minimum and no stacking unless they pay a fee for that service .
 
FWIW
Sounds about right to me , no bs about how much per hour because you are not an employee , if you call a plumbing,electrical or towing company to do a job do you ask what their rate is or do you ask how much they pay their employees ?
You're cutting and splitting on a per volume rate and you have overhead .
A couple of local firewood sellers up here were paying contract cutters 50$ per cord to cut and 35$ to split last year but they supplied the fuel and splitter so they could get people to show up .
If I was to do it with my gear I would have a travel charge or 2 cord minimum and no stacking unless they pay a fee for that service .
Wow. $85 per cord. Are you talking trees on the stump or bucking off a pile ?
 
Not hitting any nerves. I just wanted to see if yur rants where a common occurance or a one time thing. Since it seems to be a common theme with you after this post I am placeing you on ignore and will no longer see anything you post in the future. GoodBye.
Thanks I'm tired of your responses too. If your going to be so narrow minded and cant stand that someone has a differing opinion then you and you get all upset about it, then yes please ignore me!
 
On the pile blackdogon57
The guys selling firewood are making about 100$ per cord at the retail end or more.

I wouldn't cut and split wood for less than 85 a cord , if they are calling, polly no skills ,tools or ambition to do the job.
Firewood up here is around 130$ a cord 8' on a truck load, if you pay 85$ to cut and split it's still cheaper than the 250$ to 285$ that it's going for.
 
Firewood here is $150 top whack, $185 down by Denver.

I spent this afternoon stacking, I think it takes me on average 40 minutes to stack a cord, a little bit longer to split and about the same to block, obviously depends on length.

About $40 a cord delivered logs plus 3 hours max per cord. I can get wood for free within a couple of miles, have yet to work out the economics.

Paying nearer $300, is wood cost effective? Propane would be the same.
 

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