Ban on wood buring in NYC

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I've heard it all now, The Dept. of Health and Mental Hygiene. Don't burn wood over 20% moisture content, you will get a dirty brain.
 
Dunno how they are defining fireplaces but only allowing EPA stoves in new build homes makes sense to me.
 
Dunno how they are defining fireplaces but only allowing EPA stoves in new build homes makes sense to me.

It's about freedom and money. You think the Nat gas companies really have your best interest at heart? No way. The less folks allowed to burn wood the more money they can make. I'm all about protecting and reserving our resourse, but I don't want to live in an area so regulated you have to have a flatulence permit just to fart.
 
if they want to cut city air pollution down, here's an idea, ban taxi rides of less than two miles.

Here's another, remove all the illegal aliens from the city, send them back to whocaresistan. that's less everything being burnt for heat, less electricity used, less gasoline and diesel, less water used, lower sewerage use, etc.
 
It's about freedom and money. You think the Nat gas companies really have your best interest at heart? No way. The less folks allowed to burn wood the more money they can make. I'm all about protecting and reserving our resourse, but I don't want to live in an area so regulated you have to have a flatulence permit just to fart.
Dunno how they are defining fireplaces but only allowing EPA wood burning stoves in new build homes makes sense to me.
 
if they want to cut city air pollution down, here's an idea, ban taxi rides of less than two miles.

Here's another, remove all the illegal aliens from the city, send them back to whocaresistan. that's less everything being burnt for heat, less electricity used, less gasoline and diesel, less water used, lower sewerage use, etc.
hey atleast theyre not giving the illegal's drivers license's like Obama Jr.(Devil Patrick) here in mass, im still trying to figure that one out:dizzy::buttkick:
 
A wood burning fireplace or stove is carbon neutral....but that's too hard to comprehend when you are a Liberal mayor in the Communist Republic of NYC

Maybe better to collect evidence of facts than to jump to verdicts? It's been reported that in certain parts of Bavaria, fireplaces have to be equipped with catalytic converters. Why? How 'bout they would otherwise emit nasties many, many times that of "EPA" woodstoves?

So, maybe NYC mayor is focused on the health of the residents. Including me, since I'm downwind at times, for south-westerlies.

Carbon neutrality has NOTHING to do with it, with no fuelwood grown in such a congested area. Sorry for feeble try to inject reality, when most everything nowadays is fox-ified/politicized. As "W" said "thinking is hard work."
 
Maybe better to collect evidence of facts than to jump to verdicts? It's been reported that in certain parts of Bavaria, fireplaces have to be equipped with catalytic converters. Why? How 'bout they would otherwise emit nasties many, many times that of "EPA" woodstoves?

So, maybe NYC mayor is focused on the health of the residents. Including me, since I'm downwind at times, for south-westerlies.

Carbon neutrality has NOTHING to do with it, with no fuelwood grown in such a congested area. Sorry for feeble try to inject reality, when most everything nowadays is fox-ified/politicized. As "W" said "thinking is hard work."

I was 100% serious about the air pollution things. Banning short distance taxi riding, make em walk, ride a bike, skate, whatever urban scene they like that doesn't involve burning fuels. Get rid of the illegals, less human footprint in the same area, that would drop overall pollution correspondingly, and make it that much nicer in your area.

Just like air pollution in the US in general, we get multiples more from a few chinese bunker fuel burning ships delivering walmart crap on the west coast over two stroke domestic use. All that polluted air floats right over us. Or them closing fireroads because of the endangered three eyed spotted flying newt, making it harder to fight forest fires, so we get cubic miles of air pollution from burning wood, with zero nada nothing to show for it, no heat to offset the winter cold, etc. no lumber made from it, no biochar fertilizer made from it, just miles and miles of closed off areas now, with little to no public use. They just let it catch fire and burn up every year, year after year after year, all that air pollution caused, nothing to show for it.

I'll call politicians on their Bs when they want solutions to small problems when they slap ignore huge giant problems, when they play make believe that it doesn't exist. Big huge drought out west, gee, how much extra water is needed to support millions of illegals out there? WTF are we dropping a hundred bill (whatever) a year on homerland security for? What are all the robocop darth vader goons for when they can't (refuse to) control the borders?

I understand small urban heat and pollution island effects, and I am a proponent of more electric vehicles, alternative energy, etc, just it is obvious to me there is a war on any energy sources (and now food and water) that they can't get a monopoly/cartel action going on. War on wood burning, war on small scale pertsonal hydro, solar and wind, etc. Anything wall street can't get a total economic lock in, all of a sudden turns into some environmental problem. It ain't a coincidence. They chip away at it, but it is easy to extrapolate the trends and see where it is headed.

Now personally..I think it is OK to require 20% mc and under firewood in major urban areas, but I am guessing as a part of the gestalt, total wood burning is minor there compared to all the other sources of air pollution. I can be proven wrong of course, I am just guessing based on only a few visits, one a two week stretch in the winter. Wood burning there might be 1% of the air pollution, if that.
 
Zogger is exactly right. I'd bet the total amount of wood smoke added to the air in NYC is far less than 1% of total air pollution and any regulations would only minimally impact that number.

I've been to NYC several times. My first thought is they can do a hell of a lot more to combat pollution than picking on a few wood burners: Start picking up garbage. Monitor the stinky runoff that comes out of every alley and flows into the rivers. Start regulating all if the POS cabs running round. Crack down on all the illegal goons. And that's just a start.
 
keep in mind NYC includes the 5 boroughs. if you live in Staten Island I think this law will apply as well. I live over in Jersey about 25 miles due west of Manhattan. It's nice and rural here but the cost of living is off the charts. Also, the gun laws suck as you would expect from a blue state. I'm looking to get out of here in two years or so......had enough.
 
I'm 52 miles from Times Square, in the Northwest mountains of Jersey. As v8titan said, 5 borough's in NYC - plenty of private homes with fireplaces and - more than likely -inserts and stoves.

The mayor of NYC is a glaring example of an arrogant Liberal Populist politician. He's knows what good for us; he knows what we like...just ask him!

Just ask some residents how they fared with the snow storms this winter. His Brooklyn street was cleared to the pavement. People I know in Staten Island never saw a plow for quite awhile.

OK, rant over..
 
Doesn't surprise me a bit. You have two choices if you really care: fight or flight.
I've spent most of my life in NYS, and managed to avoid NYC for every bit of it. 55 yrs and counting. I know it's somewhere to the SE of me.
You get what you vote for, or actually what you don't vote against. Let this be a lesson, or a learning moment if you will, for the future.
Organize to vote these dickheads out so that we can get our state back. Please.
 
Like, how many people is this going to affect? Big deal. They are plumbed for natural gas, they can still have that kind of fireplace which will work when the power is out.
It is a city. People shouldn't be burning wood in a congested city.

Yes, Zogger, it is definitely the fault of the illegals who go there to work and find it because somebody who is a citizen will hire them. Blame Obama, blame the EPA, ALWAYS
blame them blood suckin' liberals and the west coast people. Blame it on them politicians, who dare to win elections--how dare they! Oh, and always work in guns and violence to the problem.

The population is growing. Wood/coal/oil doesn't work well with large populations. Ever had an asthma attack? Try it some time.

Funny. When I was little, the grownups (WWII generation) thought it was a great thing to NOT have to heat and cook with wood. There was a small town near Coulee Dam, Electric City. which boasted of being a town with no chimneys. Think of that. Of course, much of our state has socialist power:D and we the people own a few dams that provide us with cheaper power than elsewhere. Lots of us don't have natural gas. Oil heat isn't popular either. For those of us living out in the sticks, where we are easily cut off from the rest of the world should the big one hit, or a flood or slide occur, we are encouraged to have an alternate source of heat and or power. Our socialist guys do a great job of keeping the lines clear and are quickly out to repair them so we haven't had any major outages for a while.

Too bad we can't figure out how to heat by volcano. Or make electricity. Or maybe we do have the technology but we like keeping the volcanoes in their natural state?

I'll continue to send my better than EPA smoke your way. Enjoy it. Oh, and we have an air quality monitoring station to the east of me at 6000 feet elevation. Your blame game on China and ships doesn't work out. We have very clean air. According to the monitoring guys whom I ride the chairlift up with sometimes and eat lunch with, our area is in the top 5 for having the cleanest air.

Don't move here. More people=more pollution and whining.
 
Hey Slowp.
There you go again, confusing rant-purveyors with facts, including the fact that collecting facts is an ongoing process.
Of course, all problems are somebody else's fault per Rupert's propagandists, and all solutions are simple and guns get it done.
No chimneys in Reykjavik Iceland either- geothermal heat from deep magma. Steam for electrical generation too. Only one or two trees.
 
It's about freedom and money. You think the Nat gas companies really have your best interest at heart? No way. The less folks allowed to burn wood the more money they can make.

You do realize you'd be very lucky to get a cord of wood for less than $400 in the city? And that poor schmuck is probably losing his shirt on the deal by the time you figure in the tolls and time it takes to drive in and out.

Something as heavy and bulky as firewood just isn't a practical way to heat in such a congested area.
 
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