Michigan new laws

[Guswhit]

Any one see this? What kind, if any impact do you think it will have on the rest of the states?

read that Michigan's Governor Snyder signed Senate Bill 910, now Public Act 417 of 2014. It prohibits the Michigan DEQ from enforcing any new EPA rule restrictions on wood stoves and wood burning appliances. The article states that the owners of Hawken Energy, Z Supply, and Ridgewood Stoves all testified at a hearing on the legislation how the EPA rules would harm their businesses and other small businesses. The article is on http://www.nfib.com/article/?cmsid=65836

 

[les-or-more]

Any one see this? What kind, if any impact do you think it will have on the rest of the states?

read that Michigan's Governor Snyder signed Senate Bill 910, now Public Act 417 of 2014. It prohibits the Michigan DEQ from enforcing any new EPA rule restrictions on wood stoves and wood burning appliances. The article states that the owners of Hawken Energy, Z Supply, and Ridgewood Stoves all testified at a hearing on the legislation how the EPA rules would harm their businesses and other small businesses. The article is on http://www.nfib.com/article/?cmsid=65836

None the USSC will strike it down, based on the smoke will not stay in Michigan so the fedzilla needs to regulate, and the DEQ may not enforce but the fedzilla will.

 

[fixit1960]

Any one see this? What kind, if any impact do you think it will have on the rest of the states?

read that Michigan's Governor Snyder signed Senate Bill 910, now Public Act 417 of 2014. It prohibits the Michigan DEQ from enforcing any new EPA rule restrictions on wood stoves and wood burning appliances. The article states that the owners of Hawken Energy, Z Supply, and Ridgewood Stoves all testified at a hearing on the legislation how the EPA rules would harm their businesses and other small businesses. The article is on http://www.nfib.com/article/?cmsid=65836

I agree and this needs to be done all across the Midwest. Once that smoke travels more than a block or two it is so dissipated it affects no one. When ever they make China, Mexico and all the other 3rd world countries abide by the same environmental rules then I will relent and allow it is okay to regulate, (albeit against the Constitution) but that will never happen....consequently we are doomed to suffer their stupidity and succumb to living as our own third world country. We might have a little cleaner air (and water ) but we will be broke and dependent on the government for everything...can you say Socialism. The first step in Socializing a nation is to defeat the Capitalist element..they plan on doing it through regulation or has no one else noticed?

 

[513yj]

I'm glad I didn't waste a vote on this guy.

 

[olyman]

Any one see this? What kind, if any impact do you think it will have on the rest of the states?

read that Michigan's Governor Snyder signed Senate Bill 910, now Public Act 417 of 2014. It prohibits the Michigan DEQ from enforcing any new EPA rule restrictions on wood stoves and wood burning appliances. The article states that the owners of Hawken Energy, Z Supply, and Ridgewood Stoves all testified at a hearing on the legislation how the EPA rules would harm their businesses and other small businesses. The article is on http://www.nfib.com/article/?cmsid=65836

GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! people need to get behind the woodstove makers also..and bury the lying epa,,and the dnr....

 

[066blaster]

The EPA has too many senseless rules and regulations. I see it all the time with our farm. We have to get permits for everything ,which is basically hand over some money every time you want to do something. Or you have to get certified. Which is hand over some money and sit in a classroom for 4 hours.
I'm sure someday everyone will have to buy a permit to burn wood, and maybe get certified as well. Hers an example, we put a commercial kitchen in one of our sheds so my sister could can pickles/ jams jellies ect and sell them. We put in a 4 compartment sink for washing produce and dishes, maybe 10 - 15 gallons a week in summer , and had to have it connected to our septic 200 feet away before they would certify the kitchen. Could not just run it out the back of the shed!! Meanwhile a half mile down the road a dairy farmer can pump his own septic tank and spread it on his fields as well as thousands of gallons of cow manure.

 

[chucker]

Meanwhile a half mile down the road a dairy farmer can pump his own septic tank and spread it on his fields as well as thousands of gallons of cow manure

the wife's cousin owns and runs a septic pumping co. and they can not dump anywhere with in a 1/4 mile of an open potable water site! now with farmers there's a difference! "COWS DONT USE TOILET PAPER,! WHICH IS LOADED WITH DYES, CHEMICALS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF SMELLY FRAGERANC,ES THAT ARE NOT GOOD FOR US"???? !! so is there a difference probably not with "BGH, and all the rest that is pumped into our dairy cattle and our future food supply.... !YUPP, THE EPA REALLY SUCKS! and don't forget to use toilet paper sparingly as a 1970,s something study once found that it causes "BUTT HOLE CANCER!!!!?????? LOL ! now I gotta go wipe my nose so it can fall off.....lol

 

[066blaster]

the wife's cousin owns and runs a septic pumping co. and they can not dump anywhere with in a 1/4 mile of an open potable water site! now with farmers there's a difference! "COWS DONT USE TOILET PAPER,! WHICH IS LOADED WITH DYES, CHEMICALS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF SMELLY FRAGERANC,ES THAT ARE NOT GOOD FOR US"???? !! so is there a difference probably not with "BGH, and all the rest that is pumped into our dairy cattle and our future food supply.... !YUPP, THE EPA REALLY SUCKS! and don't forget to use toilet paper sparingly as a 1970,s something study once found that it causes "BUTT HOLE CANCER!!!!?????? LOL ! now I gotta go wipe my nose so it can fall off.....lol

A 1/4 mile isn't very far ,if I take a dump in the back of our land I'm a 1/4 mile from the house. This guy was spreading it a 100 yards from a lake and a stream and the milwaukee river is a couple hundred yards away, human waste! Cows waste has e coli. In it. It kills some people in a week if you get it. I'm just saying washing some dishes won't hurt anything. We are .5 miles from this guy and are in some watershed program and get kick backs from the government if we don't don't spread manure on are land or use certain chemicals. And this guy's unloading his septic tank right by the water.

 

[chucker]

it takes all kinds to make this world dysfunctional! just saying, not good to dump any waste near H2O.......

 

[Guswhit]

These last few posts are bringing back memories and I hate to move so far off topic but I must. Real good friends were hog farmers, 30 sows,4 miles from a water way. EPA came in and said they were polluting stream and had to fix situation, however they wouldn't tell them how to fix the issue even after a fine was paid. They ended up spending something like$30 grand and were still not in compliance, so they put the word out to a certain community and sold out the sows and piglets, too tired to fight anymore. I have seen other farmers get away with things on purpose and get nothing. EPA are just @$&&_)::;"!#=/+.

 

[mga]

I'm glad I didn't waste a vote on this guy.

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he is trying to free wood burners from EPA regulations.

 

[chucker]

the "EPA" has it's place but not with the common man making an honest living ...... remember love canal and such!

 

[066blaster]

These last few posts are bringing back memories and I hate to move so far off topic but I must. Real good friends were hog farmers, 30 sows,4 miles from a water way. EPA came in and said they were polluting stream and had to fix situation, however they wouldn't tell them how to fix the issue even after a fine was paid. They ended up spending something like$30 grand and were still not in compliance, so they put the word out to a certain community and sold out the sows and piglets, too tired to fight anymore. I have seen other farmers get away with things on purpose and get nothing. EPA are just @$&&_)::;"!#=/+.

There is a farm 15 miles away from us that just put in a 2 million gallon manure lagoon. This thing is bigger than a football field and deep. It burns your eyes when you drive by and stinks for miles. They save it till spring and go around with big tanker trucks with chisel plows on them that put it in the fields. Can't amagine what that did to the property values near it. It's funny how they put the small guys out of business with their regulations but let the big guys do this over the top stuff.
As far as the wood burning. .
We need some good olé country boys in
congress. Unfortunately it's mostly city folks making the laws.

 

[Sawdust inspector]

I would go grab 1 of them piss poor law maker people. Hold them on my back deck for an hour or two when it's -35 windchill then open the blinds and ask" ya wanna stay out here or go in there by that toasty warm metal box?" Then see how he votes.

 

[ireoyellet]

I see it all the time with our farm. We have to get permits for everything ,which is basically hand over some money every time you want to do something.

 

[skindaddy]

There is a farm 15 miles away from us that just put in a 2 million gallon manure lagoon. This thing is bigger than a football field and deep. It burns your eyes when you drive by and stinks for miles. They save it till spring and go around with big tanker trucks with chisel plows on them that put it in the fields. Can't amagine what that did to the property values near it. It's funny how they put the small guys out of business with their regulations but let the big guys do this over the top stuff.
As far as the wood burning. .
We need some good olé country boys in
congress. Unfortunately it's mostly city folks making the laws.

there putting it in because the feds mandate it thats why all big farmers are installing these. your gov. states that they need capacity for the 30yr flood level. although i dont agree with all farmers rights and such.
at least you cannot get any diseases from the manure like you can with human waste.
what even funny about this is the people that move next door to a 100yr old farm and constantly complain or raise heck about it.lol

anyway back on to original post , it seems like a good thing for us burners no one seems to be glad about it?

 

[fixit1960]

the "EPA" has it's place but not with the common man making an honest living ...... remember love canal and such!

I truly believe that answer is at the State and local level. Mandates and regulations from Washington are over intrusive for the majority. Deal with the issues locally. Can you imagine the bureaucracy we could eliminate and the money we could save if the huge machine in Washington called the EPA was abandoned. The money saved and kept in the States could more than fund the local EPA and by the way in Iowa we have our own state EPA ( I'm sure other States have a similar agency )so it's a duplication of efforts at best. Then those 2 agencies get to fighting between themselves. Not a good outcome for the taxpayers or job creators.

Remember the school class room years ago and we would get so pi$$ed when the teacher would punish the whole class because one butthead did something wrong. The EPA writing rules to cover the Nation because of one or 2 instances nationwide is a similar circumstance. This is a huge Nation with many varied terrains and climates. One rule will not apply for all the areas, someone will have their rights stepped on and then when you figure in the payoffs and looking the other way scenarios we end up with what we have.

Oh....but maybe that's exactly what some want....

 

[cus_deluxe]

None the USSC will strike it down, based on the smoke will not stay in Michigan so the fedzilla needs to regulate, and the DEQ may not enforce but the fedzilla will.

I live on the west coast of michigan and year after year we have some of the worst air quality nationwide (especially for an area with no city of more than 50K people hours in any direction) We get all the garbage that wafts up the coast from chicago. wish the epa would outlaw that!!

 

[olyman]

The EPA has too many senseless rules and regulations. I see it all the time with our farm. We have to get permits for everything ,which is basically hand over some money every time you want to do something. Or you have to get certified. Which is hand over some money and sit in a classroom for 4 hours.
I'm sure someday everyone will have to buy a permit to burn wood, and maybe get certified as well. Hers an example, we put a commercial kitchen in one of our sheds so my sister could can pickles/ jams jellies ect and sell them. We put in a 4 compartment sink for washing produce and dishes, maybe 10 - 15 gallons a week in summer , and had to have it connected to our septic 200 feet away before they would certify the kitchen. Could not just run it out the back of the shed!! Meanwhile a half mile down the road a dairy farmer can pump his own septic tank and spread it on his fields as well as thousands of gallons of cow manure.

and guess what?? pig manure,,in iowa, is TIGHTLY regulated!!!! the dnr, watches it like a hawk!!! if out of line,,nice fine...guess where the m0oney goes to?? to spend as they see fit!! overseas for a junket!!!

 

[svk]

I would go grab 1 of them piss poor law maker people. Hold them on my back deck for an hour or two when it's -35 windchill then open the blinds and ask" ya wanna stay out here or go in there by that toasty warm metal box?" Then see how he votes.

We have the same problem here. Boundary Waters Canoe area is managed by the US Forest Service, which takes direction from Washington DC. The people making the rules have absolutely NO IDEA how their decisions affect the locals.

I've said we need to plop a group of them in the middle of the wilderness in January and give them a map and let them walk out. We'll see how draconian the rules are after they actually have to live by them.