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064 and 066 complete all mattering ignition thread volume 2

Definitive Dave

Definitive Dave

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new and improved :)
all the great pics etc are in the former version here:
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/064-066-ms660-18-flywheels-7-coils.282162/


Stihl Series 1122 Ignition Systems V2.0 07.28.15
064
1986-1997 066 1988-2003 MS660 2004-2014 MS650 2005-2012
Earliest illustrated parts list noted where known.


Flywheels – aluminum with single keyway unless noted.
1122 400 1201A – 064 for use with Bosch ignition, unlimited coils
1122 400 1202 – 066W, MS660 unlimited, new thicker style for heated handle and carb generator, POLY
1122 400 1203 - 064, 064R for use with limited coils 1303 [92.12ipl] (gap of .2 to .3mm)
1122 400 1203 (double keyway) - 064, 064R for use with limited or unlimited coils
Keyway X or B is furthest clockwise for unlimited coils
Keyway P is furthest counterclockwise for limited coils
1122 400 1203/1204 - marked with both but only one keyway, normally limited
1122 400 1204 – 064 – limited with retarded start timing (a’ la Mastermind’s pic)
1122 400 1204 (single keyway) – 064 for use with limited coils ONLY
1122 400 1204 (double keyway) – 064
Keyway X or B is furthest clockwise for unlimited coils
Keyway P is furthest counterclockwise for limited coils
1122 400 1206 – 064 unlimited for use with Bosch ignition and generator 3500 [87.1ipl]
1122 400 1207 - 064W limited for use with 1303 and generator 4000 or 3500
1122 400 1209 – 066 for limited coils
1122 400 1209/1214 - 066 marked with both numbers but only one keyway
1122 400 1209/1214 – 066 double keyway
Keyway X or B is furthest clockwise for unlimited coils
Keyway P is furthest counterclockwise for limited coils
1122 400 1210 – 066 for limited coils with generator
1122 400 1214 - 066, 066M unlimited with larger big end bearing from early 1995 [95.01ipl] **
1122 400 1215 – 066 redeye
1122 400 1216 - 066W unlimited for generator with larger big end bearing early 1995 [95.01ipl]
1122 400 1217P – 066 unlimited Polymer pre 1996
1122 400 1217 – MS650, MS660 (same as 1217p maybe)
1122 400 1218 – 066W unlimited Polymer thin style for heated handle generator

Generators
1118 400 4000 – 064W [92.12ipl]
1122 400 3500 – 064W [87.1ipl], 066W [95.01ipl]
1122 400 3501 – 066W, MS660
1122 400 3502 – 066W, MS660 (circa 1999) two windings for carb and handle heat

Ignition Coils
0000 400 1300 – 066 Lida standard unlimited “short” mount **
0000 400 1303 – 066 2nd Lida EY-V unlimited
0000 400 1305 – 066 Lida Standard unlimited
1122 400 1300 – 064, MS640 unlimited, Bosch E1-V “dogleg” mount [87.1ipl]
1122 400 1303 – 064 Prufex CDIC limited (12,000 RPM) Prufex [92.12ipl]
1122 400 1307 – 066 CDIC-A limited (13,500 RPM) including 066 red eye model
1122 400 1311 – 064/066 original Lida EY-V unlimited, easier starting, short life span [95.01ipl], installed starting X 31 067 164 on 064 and 066
1122 400 1312 - 066 poly flywheel three screw mount
1122 400 1314 – 066, MS650, MS660 Lida standard unlimited two screw mount

Trigger Units
No number shown - 064 September 1987 to mar 3rd 1991 [92.12ipl]

Important notes:

** - these items are widely available as good quality aftermarket components

1994 –
066 after X 29 588 002 new crankshaft with better bearing and cage
064/066 after X 31 067 164 new EY-V coil and unlimited flywheel

1995 -
066 Magnum USA model only OSHA noise reduction changes from # X 31 980 509.
066 first decompression valve # X 32 231 689.
064/066 after # X 31 815 798 crankcases have 4 mounting holes for brake cover instead of 3.

1996 -
066 after # X 33 917 066 all of the following - larger big end bearing, longer crankshaft with different ignition taper and larger threads, new crankcase, lightweight poly flywheel 1122-400-1217, new unlimited coil 0000 400 1303,

1997 –
064/066 after X 33 459 523 first plastic name badge
064/066 after x 35 661 524 new style tank valve/tank housing
064/066 after X 36 262 047 new oil-less HD air filter
064/066 after X 38 139 451 another new tank vent

1998 –
066 after X 39 176 186 EPA certified, limiter caps on WJ-69 carb, new cylinder timing,
Smaller exhaust openings

2002-
MS660 introduced
 
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1994 –
066 after X 29 588 002 new crankshaft with better bearing and cage
064/066 after X 31 067 164 new EY-V coil and unlimited flywheel

1995 -
066 Magnum USA model only OSHA noise reduction changes from # X 31 980 509.
066 first decompression valve # X 32 231 689.
064/066 after # X 31 815 798 crankcases have 4 mounting holes for brake cover instead of 3.

1996 -
066 after # X 33 917 066 all of the following - larger big end bearing, longer crankshaft with different ignition taper and larger threads, new crankcase, lightweight poly flywheel 1122-400-1217, new unlimited coil 0000 400 1303,

Ok, going by my serial number - 1 31 067 595, my saw was built in Germany, has the new crank with better bearing and cage (but not the 1996 upgrade), and was one of the first ones built with the EY-V coil and unlimited flywheel. That's good, right?

It's also a flat-top, with no decompression valve. What's the story on the red-light 066's? Were all 066's of a certain vintage red-lights or was it an option/upgrade?

Thanks!

Scott
 
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Ok, going by my serial number - 1 31 067 595, my saw was built in Germany, has the new crank with better bearing and cage (but not the 1996 upgrade), and was one of the first ones built with the EY-V coil and unlimited flywheel. That's good, right?

It's also a flat-top, with no decompression valve. What's the story on the red-light 066's? Were all 066's of a certain vintage red-lights or was it an option/upgrade?

Thanks!

Scott
Red light was the first year or two 066.
 
Definitive Dave

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I would love to edit this thread to include the pics and such from the earlier thread, is there a way I can do this?
Also would love to see Jason's stupid inaccurate redlight comment removed so guys don't think it is right, a sticky should be accurate right :)
 
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I would love to edit this thread to include the pics and such from the earlier thread, is there a way I can do this?
Also would love to see Jason's stupid inaccurate redlight comment removed so guys don't think it is right, a sticky should be accurate right :)
Posts in this thread have timed out for editing, would be best to start a new thread and insert everything you now have then this one could disappear.
 
Robert1986

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Hello,
Could anyone here explain me why it is so much better to have an UNLIMITED coil?
As far as the chain touched the wood, the engine is below its speed limit.
So: where is the advance of no-limit?
I would e.g. find it useful to be able to alter the rev limit on the TS units a bit if you have a cutting-wheel with a higher allowed rpm. This would be a really interesting project to make a TS with an adjustable ignition rev- limit...
But on chainsaws?
Kind Regards,
Robert
 
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