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And I also want to add that I was laid off late March and was told that I would be one of the first ones called back, so there was no reason to immediately give up hope and get another job; we all had figured we would be back by July but when that didn't happen I took this other job. I was told at my real job I would probably be called back full time by November, but when I realized that wasn't going to happen I told them I quit as I couldn't help them anymore because of my hours going up at the new job, but because of the way Covid fudged the world up I was still able to collect partial so I am taking it if I can, wouldn't you if you paid into it for almost 22 years? And it will be over soon as I am heading towards full time unless we get shutdown again plus unemployment doesn't last forever. But most weeks I work too many hours so I can't collect partial, so don't worry I'm not taking it because I'm not entitled to it. I'm not some welfare bum collecting just because he is too lazy to work, I collected for awhile in HOPES that my job would recall me but that ain't happening so I started a new path with this new job and am building it up, it ain't that easy to do in your 60's but I'm doing it.
 
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but because of the way Covid fudged the world up I was still able to collect partial so I am taking it if I can, wouldn't you if you paid into it for almost 22 years?
No, I wouldn’t take it just because “I can”. That mentality is the furthest thing from where I’m at.

The major problem that occurred with all this crap was a lot of people were making MORE money sitting at home not working than they did when they were working. And that’s why there are these insane unemployment numbers when jobs are available.

There’s a reason for this, it wasn’t accidental. Same with the lockdowns that do NOTHING except kill small business as Europe has shown. Now you’re just a statistic on who’s willing and who’s not willing to suck off the government tit to survive.
 
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No, I wouldn’t take it just because “I can”. That mentality is the furthest thing from where I’m at.

The major problem that occurred with all this crap was a lot of people were making MORE money sitting at home not working than they did when they were working. And that’s why there are these insane unemployment numbers when jobs are available.

There’s a reason for this, it wasn’t accidental. Same with the lockdowns that do NOTHING except kill small business as Europe has shown. Now you’re just a statistic on who’s willing and who’s not willing to suck off the government tit to survive.
The government is not where any of this partial unemployment is coming from, it is from monies that I paid in over 21.5 years of working at this employer so it is either coming from that or my ex employer I am told who had the right to deny it, but he isn't because he feels badly that he had to lay a lot of us off who worked loyally for a long time so he is going to allow it if needed. It isn't like welfare paid out to people who are able and willing to work but are too lazy to do so, that is what you are talking about. And like I said the amount is very small if at all, last week it was $0, this week will be $0, the next week will be $0 because they are slowly increasing my hours so if I work past a specified of hours and exceed my pay "limit" unemployment pays nothing anyway, but it is still under a bit of a stranglehold thanks to restrictions from Covid. But I am assured that hours will go up, that's why I quit my old job and hitched my wagon to this one in hopes that is true.

I understand what you are saying, and I don't know what your job is or how you were affected by this plague, and at 47 you are younger than most I am sure but everyone and every situation is different. As I said we thought this would only be a few months disruption, but once it went on past that I did something and got a job albeit part time, that is more than anyone else at my old job did, they are still sitting waiting for the phone to ring but I have news for them it isn't going to ring, so they will need to get it in gear and move on. But we still had some hope left that there was a chance that we would be called back, so that's why most didn't do anything else except wait, I personally was told by the owner of the company the end of September that he wanted to reopen November 1st with me being called back full time, but I saw that wasn't going to happen so I moved on, and if he had any issue with me collecting partial he would've denied it, he feels badly that it happened this way plus over the 21 years they know that I didn't take a LOT of my vacation time so maybe he feels badly about that too, I don't know, but it is a very small amount if any and if he is willing to pay it I will take it for now, I know many that would and are drawing a lot more, you say you wouldn't, to each his own, but it is a very small amount if anything and soon it will be nothing and if it was Spring instead of Fall I would easily have other work to do to fill in the lost hours like lawn care or selling firewood or what have you, but for now this is where I am at which is a lot farther on than many my age who were laid off in this pandemic are, and here in PA. there aren't jobs galore to chose from, I am thankful that I found this one and am just banking on it becoming full time if we ever get out from underneath this pandemic. And I still am checking other jobs out too, but I am getting pretty entrenched in this job and I like it, so I am really pushing them to increase the hours and they are responding. And it is classified as "essential" so that is a big help too.

Again, I understand what you are saying, but your argument is geared more towards someone who is able to work but isn't and is just collecting instead. I easily could have not taken any work and stayed on collecting and hoping my old job would magically reopen but I didn't and am not, and some weeks after starting this other job I actually would've made more money if I hadn't taken this job, but I am starting over as a lot of us have to do thanks to this plague, and am building up the hours and will continue to do so however long it takes, and if I work just enough that it cancels unemployment I don't care, plus by doing this I also may be exempt from any future stimulus funding but I don't care, I'd rather be working and thank God that I am, I know many my age who cannot find much work right now and it isn't for lack of trying it just isn't here, maybe where you are it is but not here for older people it isn't that easy.
 
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The government is not where any of this partial unemployment is coming from, it is from monies that I paid in over 21.5 years of working at this employer so it is either coming from that or my ex employer I am told who had the right to deny it, but he isn't because he feels badly that he had to lay a lot of us off who worked loyally for a long time so he is going to allow it if needed.
This is a false statement. All this money is coming from the Family first and CARES act passed by President Trump. Federal monies. Trust me, I get it, I know I’m the minority that doesn’t have the mentality of “I can, so why not take the money”.

It‘s an abused system normally and even more abused now. I’m not saying you’re not a hard worker or one of the abusers, or doing anything the majority wouldn’t, I’m just saying it ain’t my morals to take a handout just because “I can”. I’d rather take the stress off the system and do what I have to do, whether that be alter my lifestyle or take on another job I wouldn’t otherwise take before I applied for unemployment when jobs are available.

It’s how I was raised, and it’s a rarity now. Principles, morals, pride, self sustenance, less reliance on government, not more. I watched my dad knock on neighbors doors and offer to cut grass, clean gutters, do repairs when he was laid off because he refused to take a red cent from this abused socialist program.

Honestly, you were working part time, were you that strapped for the money or did you just take it because you could? Were you not able to pay your bills or feed yourself? No real need to answer because I already know.

Hopefully this new job works out for you and we all can get through this bullshit. More lockdowns are coming and more small businesses will be shuttered forever strictly for political reasons, as in, to get more and more people reliant on the government tit. I wish you luck and don’t think you did anything “wrong”. Like I said, you’re the majority and I’m the minority.

Just remember, we all seemed to manage without unemployment up until 1935. Amazing, isn’t it? Americans have become pussified because of these crutches, it’s what they want, it’s all part of the plan.

”I’m willing to pay more tax so muh Government can care for us”.

“On March 18, 2020, President Trump signed into law the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA), which provided additional flexibility for state unemployment insurance agencies and additional administrative funding to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act was signed into law on March 27. It expands states’ ability to provide unemployment insurance for many workers impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, including for workers who are not ordinarily eligible for unemployment benefits.”
 
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Well that is interesting to know, and very different from what the woman in payroll told me and others where the money is coming from. They said it was from what I paid in to the company all those years and from my employer, but I guess not from reading what you said? She never really was on the ball lol!!

I was working part time , yes, but to answer your question I took UC because we needed it to pay our bills, UC doesn't pay much at all, I took it until I started to get established with this new job and the last few weeks I wouldn't get any UC if I did apply for it because I exceed the pay limit which isn't much either, but we'll get by. And one day it will become full time but we have to get through this Winter with all of the Covid and lockdowns etc., but Spring will be better I hope.

You are 47. When I was that age I worked full time at this shipping job that I just let go of, did lawn care and sold firewood on the side. I can always go back to doing that in a few months if I need to supplement this job if it doesn't hit full time. Back then I would've had no problems carrying on and not having to dip into UC, and like others thought nothing could slow me down..... but then age and time and accidents and physical injuries came along, and now me and I would bet many others reading this who are in their 60's or more look in the mirror and think "who is that old guy looking back at me?" But inside we are still young, just inhabiting these vintage bodies, and carrying on the best that we can. I feel badly for people I know that can't seem to get a job, get hired in their late 60's or 70's, really rough times for them.
 
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And I did check out other part time jobs in hopes of being able to piece two of them together and make full time hours but it wasn't really feasible because my hours at the Center for Vision Loss are all over the place, sometimes all day, sometimes just mornings or just afternoons, every job that I checked into had set hours but it wouldn't fit together with the all over the place hours, and if I took a job with set hours that would limit me at the Center, they'd give the work to someone else so I am sticking with that and building on it . But now it is picking up and most days I am working all day, henceforth bye bye UC. I also did ask around if anyone needed any work done, but got no takers, it was too late in the year, people were winding down with yard care work and too late for firewood, but like I said if needed in the Spring I am sure that I could pretty easily add a few things like that to supplement if needed and do them around my work schedule like I did years ago.
 
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You are 47. When I was that age I worked full time at this shipping job that I just let go of, did lawn care and sold firewood on the side. I can always go back to doing that in a few months if I need to supplement this job if it doesn't hit full time. Back then I would've had no problems carrying on and not having to dip into UC, and like others thought nothing could slow me down..... but then age and time and accidents and physical injuries came along, and now me and I would bet many others reading this who are in their 60's or more look in the mirror and think "who is that old guy looking back at me?" But inside we are still young, just inhabiting these vintage bodies, and carrying on the best that we can. I feel badly for people I know that can't seem to get a job, get hired in their late 60's or 70's, really rough times for them.

You can keep bringing up my age and make whatever excuses you want to, it makes no difference to me. The fact is, whether you want to admit it or not, you weren’t fiscally responsible enough to carry yourself a couple of months without the government’s help. Those words may seem harsh but that’s the reality. You couldn’t pay your bills without their assistance even while you were still working part time. It is what it is.

This is the mindset of the majority of Americans now because they have a crutch. They refuse to put away money for hard times because they have that crutch to fall back on. The crutch that was installed to make the government even more necessary.

I‘ll repeat, up until 1935 we all didn’t rely on the government to get us through hard times. We were independent Americans. That is how I was raised and how I’m raising my three children, to live as if it will always be up to yourself for your survival and save accordingly for hard times. This includes being responsible for your own retirement and not expecting SS to be there. Being able to feed yourself without store bought food if need be and to have the ability to wipe your own ass without toilet paper.

Again, you’re the majority and I’m the one with the minority views now. The “outcast” because the frog is being boiled real slow like. Just remember, Communism can never take hold if the citizens are independent and because of that, it might dawn on you what’s going on here with these social programs, lockdowns, UC paying people more than they earned when they supported themselves, why the leftist states are taking extreme measures and the conservative states aren’t. “Never let a good crisis go to waste”. “Then we change America”. BTW, that latter quote was just said by a filthy communist in our Senate a few days ago and should strike fear into every American, even a Democrat.

My ranting is over, I’m glad you’re getting yourself back on your feet and I wish you and your family all the best. Hopefully we can all get through this with minimal damage to future generations.
 
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What is your opinion about churches accepting grants to help pay for things? We had a congregation meeting this morning after service and someone asked where the money was coming from for a certain thing that they want to do and they said it was coming from a grant, and I wondered "I wonder if that fella on Arboristsite feels the church should be more self sufficient and not take any monetary help?" Or is that just with government unemployment?
 
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What is your opinion about churches accepting grants to help pay for things? We had a congregation meeting this morning after service and someone asked where the money was coming from for a certain thing that they want to do and they said it was coming from a grant, and I wondered "I wonder if that fella on Arboristsite feels the church should be more self sufficient and not take any monetary help?" Or is that just with government unemployment?
If I’m not mistaken there was a Supreme Court ruling on this and what you’re describing is illegal activity. They can’t use tax payer’s monies for any purpose besides social services, as in, supporting families in need, etc. Maybe that’s the “certain thing that they want to do”?
 
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I was laid off from my job of 21.5 years late March so I was collecting unemployment. I was called back 12 times since then to work a few days at a time so of course I said that I worked and then collected partial unemployment. Early August I started a part time job so I reported what I made from that and again collected partial unemployment. This part time job is getting busier so I knew that it would be impossible for me to help them out at my "real" job plus they don't seem like they will be reopening soon and I don't know if they'll survive if they do so two days ago I told them I quit in case they need to do something else, I hadn't been there in a month and like I said this other job is really blossoming so I am working there and the hours are going up. Here's my question, since I quit the old job that I was collecting unemployment from is that it for me collecting? I called PA. unemployment and explained it to the guy and he said "I would just keep doing what you're doing" meaning still file for unemployment, but I quit there...unless since they don't have work for me and I am still not working 40 hours can I still collect?
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If I’m not mistaken there was a Supreme Court ruling on this and what you’re describing is illegal activity. They can’t use tax payer’s monies for any purpose besides social services, as in, supporting families in need, etc. Maybe that’s the “certain thing that they want to do”?
I'd have to ask more specifics about what they are talking about doing and also where the money comes from? The meeting is continuing next week again so I can ask, I'm just curious about it now. Might be a source other than tax payer's money, maybe Penn Northeast Conference of churches, I don't know, but I'm going to ask.

Also thanks for the well wishes a few messages above, just needed a little help to carry me through while things got better for me. We are doing fine now.
 
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I'd have to ask more specifics about what they are talking about doing and also where the money comes from? The meeting is continuing next week again so I can ask, I'm just curious about it now. Might be a source other than tax payer's money, maybe Penn Northeast Conference of churches, I don't know, but I'm going to ask.

Also thanks for the well wishes a few messages above, just needed a little help to carry me through while things got better for me. We are doing fine now.
Like I said, I’m pretty certain they can’t use tax payer’s money for anything to do with religion otherwise that would be in violation of the 1A, as in, separation of church and state would be violated. Charitable use is a different story, they’re just playing the middle man for the government handout.
 
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Like I said, I’m pretty certain they can’t use tax payer’s money for anything to do with religion otherwise that would be in violation of the 1A, as in, separation of church and state would be violated. Charitable use is a different story, they’re just playing the middle man for the government handout.
I'm going to ask next week. The question came from a woman in front of us and I couldn't hear her very well, plus honestly the meeting drug on and on so long and most of us by that time were hardly listening anymore, one guy even got up minutes before that and walked out, couldn't take it anymore lol! And the funny thing is they talked and talked but nothing really got accomplished, they were more concerned that there weren't many people in attendance and how they were going to get their vote in the next week or two!
 
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Well, if you heard it was coming from a government grant, then it could only be one thing, and that one thing can’t have anything to do with religious activities otherwise it would be illegal/unconstitutional according to the 1A.

But to address your original question, yes I believe the Church needs to be self sufficient with no government backing, it’s imperative to religious freedom.
 
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Just a bit about unemployment payments. Unemployment is an insurance paid by the Employer, not the employees. Look at your paystub. No deductions for U.I. Unfortunately, the pot has about run dry for most states. That’s why the Fed govt has to kick in. The insurance fund was never meant to pay out to 30% of workers , let alone for extended periods of time. It’s much the same as during high unemployment there’s something called “ extended benefits” . That’s also a federal program. It’s also why your great grandchildren will be paying for ridiculous “ bailout” packages. All that money for no productive output gets expensive fast.
 
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Just a bit about unemployment payments. Unemployment is an insurance paid by the Employer, not the employees. Look at your paystub. No deductions for U.I. Unfortunately, the pot has about run dry for most states. That’s why the Fed govt has to kick in. The insurance fund was never meant to pay out to 30% of workers , let alone for extended periods of time. It’s much the same as during high unemployment there’s something called “ extended benefits” . That’s also a federal program. It’s also why your great grandchildren will be paying for ridiculous “ bailout” packages. All that money for no productive output gets expensive fast.
There’s only 3 states that employees contribute to unemployment along with the employers. Mine(NJ) His(PA) and Alaska, in NJ it's somewhere in the range of $.004 for unemployment and another $.006 for other crap like family leave and "work force development" whatever the fug that is. Wages stop being taxed after $35,000. So about $350 a year maximum paid by the employee, I'd imagine PA is less than that.
 
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Up here, both employers & employees contribute to UI.

The government doesn't know anything about who exactly is working for who until you leave a job and the employer files a ROE (Record of Employment). That will start the UI ball rolling - unless the reason for employment ending was just up & quitting. They will still consider but likely deny depending on reasons. After that, you can work part time doing whatever, wherever. If you report that income on your UI reports, it will come off your UI you get. If you are working under the table & don't report - that's another matter we won't talk about. So from the time the ROE is filed, to the time your UI runs out (maybe 8 months here? not sure), or you report to UI that you have started another full time job, that should be how it goes. Unless you start working another job, then leave that one too, and another ROE gets filed which may or may not start a fresh UI claim, depending on timing & time in between.
 
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Just a bit about unemployment payments. Unemployment is an insurance paid by the Employer, not the employees. Look at your paystub. No deductions for U.I. Unfortunately, the pot has about run dry for most states. That’s why the Fed govt has to kick in. The insurance fund was never meant to pay out to 30% of workers , let alone for extended periods of time. It’s much the same as during high unemployment there’s something called “ extended benefits” . That’s also a federal program. It’s also why your great grandchildren will be paying for ridiculous “ bailout” packages. All that money for no productive output gets expensive fast.
PA. SUI/SDI taken out of my check each week, listed on the paystub.
 
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If you report that income on your UI reports, it will come off your UI you get. If you are working under the table & don't report - that's another matter we won't talk about.
Yes, that’s one of the ways it’s highly abused here too. I feel it’s a necessary program for EXTREME circumstances, we can’t have citizens becoming homeless, not being able to feed themselves, or causing a ripple effect into the economy thorough mortgage defaults, etc., but that’s not how it’s being utilized now. It’s causing more harm than good for the citizens.

If I had my way, this is how I would run the program.

For starters, the spade would be called a spade. It’s welfare, it ain’t “insurance”, it ain’t “compensation or coverage“, It’s taxpayer’s money that is handed out to people by the government who can’t care for themselves, as in WELFARE. It’s how it’s defined by our government, a “Social welfare program”. That’s a fact, look it up. We re-defined it as something else for a few reasons, mostly to make it “acceptable“ to rely on the government handout in order to survive. Using the correct wording alone would stop some people from unnecessarily utilizing the program strictly from a psychological stand point. No one wants to admit they needed to go on welfare, lets face it, welfare is an ugly word that no proud American wants to associate with themselves.

Second, no monies would be given for 3 months. This will accomplish a couple things. It will force people to save if they know when hard times come, it’ll be up to them to provide for themselves for those months. Another benefit to this is it will force people to honestly look for a job, any job, if they don't want to sacrifice their lifestyle before they start getting spoon fed by the government. The way it is now is a lot of the people use it as an extended paid vacation and only start to honestly look for a job when the welfare is about to be cutoff. It’s amazing how all of a sudden when the tit dries up, people manage to survive on their own, just as they did pre 1935.

Third, the money could only be used for Rent/mortgage, a calculated amount for food and necessities depending on how many people are being supported by the applicant provided in the form of stamps to ensure those funds are being spent properly, medications, and utility bills. Basically anything necessary to not become homeless or die. Nothing more. No cell phone bills, no cable bills, etc. It’s kept too “comfortable“ now to go on welfare with no sacrifice. A copy of lease/mortgage statement along with the utility bills would need to be provided with the application. The 3 months would provide ample time to come up with a tailored amount to the applicant with no excess to be used on booze, cigarettes, new cell phones, cheeseburgers from the McDonald’s drive thru, etc.

Fourth, strict penalties need to be imposed for the abusers. Something to the effect of paying back 2-3x of whatever you fraudulently received, to go back into the welfare pot. Possibly a small reward to the whistleblower that reports the scumbag abuser that’s working under the table AND collecting unemployment welfare. My issue is with the one who does both, the abuser.

This would never happen though because it would lower the burden on the system, in essence, lowering the cost businesses/tax payers are burdened by and bring back self reliance while destroying the government’s agenda to weaken the citizen‘s ability to care for themselves.

That just ain’t the Communist way.
”Here‘s my paycheck, use as needed and care for us because we can’t do it ourselves” is the communist way.
 
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