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Due to the gravity of this subject, we would like to ask everyone to maintain a more professional attitude in this forum.

Keep the comentary constructive and to the point. On the other forums we do allow a lot more leeway in practice then the Guidelines require, but the nature of this forum compells me to ask for greater restraint.

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I concur with John.

This is an incredibly sensitive topic. Please treat others like you would like to be treated.

Perhaps an example can help to make my point. Once, at a conference, a fatal accident was being discussed. Someone in the audience stood up and said that the victim had done everything wrong, was stupid and just stopped short of saying that the person deserved to die. A family member of the victim was in the audience.

Please think about what you say here, before you say it.

We all make mistakes; we all have accidents and know people that do. Let’s use this forum to share information and keep us all alive and accident free.

Thanks,

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Tim, I had overheard a very similar story to what you are describing. Somebody a few years back was killed in a chipper accident. One of the people on his crew left the company and went to work elsewhere. First day on the job his crew went to a commercial location and turned on the chipper. Apparently the father of the man who was killed worked in that building and could not deal with the sound of the chipper going.
 
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Ya gotta know i agree; as i try to hold back a shriek about not being rude by putting down buried peoples..... Guess there even with the house (Green Mile) for the risks they've taken; gambles they've lost; more so than others. No sense kicking'em; this is hard work, they done it till the end; their debt is paid in full. Even giving us their lessons in doing so.

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I most heartily agree with you Mr. Sanborn. This business is so inherently dangerous that I have witnessed disfigurment and death more times than I care to recall. The prime watch word here is disgression and a proper, whiletrue and caring discussion of the facts. Haste with tongue is most dangerous to all involved. Have a heart. I know of a number of old trimmers who made it for decades before having a terrible accident. It can happen to any of us.
 
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Good Post john.....I will hope we can all respect the unfortunate, because no matter how skilled or experienced any of us are, we deal with nature and any of us could have a similar fate. The Tree Care Industry is no Joke, especially when someone gets hurt.



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POSt FROM 2003, WHATS UP?

Post is from January 2003. Who was he talking about, to ask this? I guess I missed it, please tell me if you know about it. And why bring something up from years back with no explanation or background?
 

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clearance said:
Post is from January 2003. Who was he talking about, to ask this? I guess I missed it, please tell me if you know about it. And why bring something up from years back with no explanation or background?
this thread is a sticky its been at the top of the forum since it was started.
 
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There was an insenstive twit on this site who no longer visits. When people recounted injuries they were ridiculed as being stupid, moronic, untrained etc etc which is hardly a way of encouraging people to share their knowledge regarding this topic. He erased most of his posts, vanished, returned under another name and is gone again. No names, no pack drill.....And the sticky went up at least a year plus after the forum was started.
 
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diltree said:
Good Post john.....I will hope we can all respect the unfortunate, because no matter how skilled or experienced any of us are, we deal with nature and any of us could have a similar fate. The Tree Care Industry is no Joke, especially when someone gets hurt.



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think twice move once and never let your guard down accidents happen to the best and most experienced.
 
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John Paul Sanborn said:
Due to the gravity of this subject, we would like to ask everyone to maintain a more professional attitude in this forum.

Keep the comentary constructive and to the point. On the other forums we do allow a lot more leeway in practice then the Guidelines require, but the nature of this forum compells me to ask for greater restraint.

Thanks
Well said. I agree.
 
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Man it is hard to believe anyone could be that uncaring and have family
good post John! I would hate to think my wife had to read some bs if I
died on duty. Fact is; it is usually the experienced that end up doing the
really bad trees !
 
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Fact is; it is usually the experienced that end up doing the really bad trees !
Sometimes, but people get in over their heads.

Quite often the well trained get a little complacent, or rushed. The latter is where I have had my close calls, my habit of double checking before finishing a cut has helped me go home hail and whole at days end.

Fatigue also has a lot to do with it, I slow down and think each step when at the point were I want to just quit and go home.

There is a frequently quoted study by Davies or Bartlett that showed injuries were high in newer employees, and those around 8 years with a trough on the chart between and a steep dropoff after 9 years.
 
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