Echo Cs 60s starter assembly

[Shoesnsocks]

Has anyone ever pulled one of these starter assemblies apart? I just got this saw yesterday and the pull chord is basically stuck and won't move more than an inch. I want to pull it apart and inspect with out the spring uncoiling but it just seems stuck together.

I guess I could just keep prying?

 

[LegDeLimber]

See if this web page and image helps any.
https://www.jackssmallengines.com/j...ws-cs/cs-60s/cs-60s-s-n-059501-999999/starter

https://az417944.vo.msecnd.net/diag.../cs-60s-s-n-059501-999999/starter/diagram.gif

I've never touched one of the big Echoes, So I'm just going on what I'd guess if I was holding the recoil in front of me.

After making sure that no washers or retainers were still holding things, I'd try to look for any burrs or rust or just crusty buildup that might be holding that spring cup (# 4) onto the shaft of part #1
You might slip a putty knife in between the rope pulley/sheave and the recoil spring to help hold the spring from pulling out of the cup?

 

[Shoesnsocks]

See if this web page and image helps any.
https://www.jackssmallengines.com/j...ws-cs/cs-60s/cs-60s-s-n-059501-999999/starter

https://az417944.vo.msecnd.net/diag.../cs-60s-s-n-059501-999999/starter/diagram.gif

I've never touched one of the big Echoes, So I'm just going on what I'd guess if I was holding the recoil in front of me.

After making sure that no washers or retainers were still holding things, I'd try to look for any burrs or rust or just crusty buildup that might be holding that spring cup (# 4) onto the shaft of part #1
You might slip a putty knife in between the rope pulley/sheave and the recoil spring to help hold the spring from pulling out of the cup?

Thank you, I think this is what I'll end up doing.

I'll be so excited if this thing starts running without having to buy any parts. I remember someone brought in an old non running Echo at the shop I used to work at. My co-worker just dumped the fuel and put some fresh stuff in and it ran great!

Here's some pics of the saw.

 

[LegDeLimber]

One other thought would be that there may be a bit of a notch where the recoil spring hooks onto the pulley. might need a bit back twisting of the spring assembly to get it unhooked as you separate the spring cup from the pulley.

Funny how much I stuff see or feel when a part is in front of me, but then I have trouble writing out a simple post about it.
I always admired a good tech writer for that ability to get -all- of the details down on paper.

 

[Shoesnsocks]

Well I got the pull start assembly apart. Hard to explain but something must've got in between the spindle and the housing it spins around in. Part of the spindle got ground up and the metal that was displaced was jamming it. This is a picture of the spindle after filing it down.



I put it back together and pulled it about 4-5 times with no start. Sprayed some starter fluid in to see if there was spark and it fired up and even ran on idle for a little while before I turned it off!

I let it sit for about 5 min or so and it started again first pull. The compression feels kinda light though.

Next I just need to sharpen the chain and try it out on a few logs!

 

[LegDeLimber]

I think might have hit it with a something like some 400~600 grit emery cloth and smooth things a bit more.
You don't want to take any more off of the shaft diameter than absolutely necessary to free things.
If you get things too lose, you can have twisting or binding when you pull the recoil to start the saw.
Also , a lose fit between the pulley bore and the center shaft will wear the hole faster.

 

[Shoesnsocks]

I think might have hit it with a something like some 400~600 grit emery cloth and smooth things a bit more.
You don't want to take any more off of the shaft diameter than absolutely necessary to free things.
If you get things too lose, you can have twisting or binding when you pull the recoil to start the saw.
Also , a lose fit between the pulley bore and the center shaft will wear the hole faster.

Thanks my friend. I will keep that in mind next time. I'm not used to seeing a spindle like that being used on a pull starter. I did only file it as much as it needed, so there shouldn't be too much extra room.

Not sure what could've caused it, but now it is possibly needing a new bar. The one it has right now does not have little holes in the right spot for oil to get through. I've been crazy busy without much time to tinker with it, but hopefully next week I'll have some time.

I'm pretty excited about this saw, and just learned a little bit about it's history. The CS-60 was Echo's second saw, but by the time they sold it to the U.S., they started making the CS-60S.