Fire

[Gologit]

Oh, I know. I just have to worry about appearances because it's always my ass that gets chewed when my crew is slacking. Habit, yo.

The joys of being part of management, no?

 

[madhatte]

MANAGEMENT?!? I'll have you know that I'm no dang dirty manager. I'm part of Leadership. It's different, I swear.

 

[Drptrch]

Sonoma/Napa Dispatch

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10155203259718170&id=99330038169


Erik

 

[madhatte]

SO MUCH RESPECT for that dispatcher. So calm in a situation that only keeps getting worse.

 

[Drptrch]

That was Sonoma County Dispatch, Cal Fire Lake/Napa/Sonoma was running a regional Dispatch also.
My county had 20 engines dispatched by 12:00 with 12 more in the morning. That’s an entire shift. My Task Force worked a 500 acre veg fire enroute for 3 hrs threatening a major West to East travel route

My station in Marin, 42 miles away was getting ash fall out as we were leaving


Erik

 

[madhatte]

Dang, yo. Some days are just more hoppin' than others, I guess.

 

[jomoco]

What do you guys think about strategically buried ten thousand gallon water tanks as fortification lines against wind driven wild fires.

That new Liebherr 44's got a 120 inch Diameter drill bit!



Jomoco

 

[madhatte]

What do you guys think about strategically buried ten thousand gallon water tanks as fortification lines against wind driven wild fires.

Water is for mop-up.

 

[Drptrch]

What do you guys think about strategically buried ten thousand gallon water tanks as fortification lines against wind driven wild fires.

That new Liebherr 44's got a 120 inch Diameter drill bit!



Jomoco

Not exactly following your thought. And what’s relevance of video ??


Erik

 

[jomoco]

Water storage supplies buttressing city n critical infrastructure parameters.

The drill rig's prolly the best means of doin it efficiently.

Drill a hole, drop a tank in it, fill er up in winter, cap it off. The waters there n waitin. All yu needs a portable pump n nozzle.

May not be the most intelligent design, but it beats the hell outta high n dry n crispy in a crunch!

Plan A , plan B n C, to avoid gettin F'd?

Jomoco

 

[TBS]

Not a bad idea but the problem with drilling is how deep you have to go. Lots of cities have below ground storage tanks so putting them in for fire suppression during the construction and planning phase of a subdivision would be fairly simple but more difficult with existing subdivisions.

One thing these fires have shown is that communities and some property owners need to take some better measures for defense against wildfires.

 

[jomoco]

I been thinkin bout an umbilical fire bug on a reel, an all terrain tracked tank, fed by 3 inch water hose, with 600 feet of reach, a tank on fishin pole, remote control, oozing water constantly, driven right into the heart of the fire line, to dampen the party.

The reel station'd be fed by however many water tanker trucks it takes to keep the bug wet.

There are quite a few tracked vehicles that'll keep right on a goin upside down, sideways, every whichaway!

Drive right into the fuggin heart O the matter!

What say you guvner?

Jomoco

 

[jomoco]

Too much Harry Nilsson?

Too much second hand smoke?



Jomoco

 

[TBS]

The other problems is these fires were spotting 1-2 miles ahead of themselves so that makes keeping up during initial attack very difficult, access, community fire planning, available equipment, and response times are major factors.

 

[Drptrch]

The other problems is these fires were spotting 1-2 miles ahead of themselves so that makes keeping up during initial attack very difficult, access, community fire planning, available equipment, and response times are major factors.

True to that. Sonoma had 50-70 mph winds. It was just blowing thru and bye. We lost a whole hillside just trying to reposition to fire it off


Erik

 

[jomoco]

Sorta makes strategically positioned water reserve lines more desirable to dampen locations tinderbox dry in the winds path, IMO.

Containment lines, rich in water reserves.

Damn near Forest irrigation systems, redistributing and storing emergency water reserves, for dry crispy hot summer relief.

Lotsa holes piping valves n buried tanks, topped with fancy sprinklers n nozzles.

Symbiotic forest systems........

Jomoco

 

[madhatte]

Problem with water as a firefighting agent is that it drains and evaporates. Also, it only goes where you put it. An absence of fuel is a far more sustainable goal tactically. I say again: water is for mop-up.

 

[jomoco]

So you don't think a remote control umbilical fire bug tank, droolin n sprayin water, onto the base of the fire line itself's logical?

In many ways it makes more sense than droppin it helter skelter from the sky IMO.

Such a bug could be fed from reel reservoir with far more water, for far longer, than four helicopters workin together.

What's the typical load in gallons you guys drop so heroically n effectively these days?

Jomoco

 

[TBS]

Helicopters don't need an access point only a water source and a place to land for fuel or drop of a helitack crew, sometimes the crew rappels from the copter.

 

[Drptrch]

So you don't think a remote control umbilical fire bug tank, droolin n sprayin water, onto the base of the fire line itself's logical?

In many ways it makes more sense than droppin it helter skelter from the sky IMO.

Such a bug could be fed from reel reservoir with far more water, for far longer, than four helicopters workin together.

What's the typical load in gallons you guys drop so heroically n effectively these days?

Jomoco

It’ll only take ya one tree to F’ya up


Erik