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Full Chisel vs Semi Chisel?

Discussion in 'Chainsaw' started by eriklane, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. eriklane

    eriklane ArboristSite Operative

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    Husky 394 and I cut 5-8 cords a year of any type wood. I'd blindly gone out and gotten all full chisel chains, now wondering if I should get semi-chisel also and then use the full chisel only on softer or green woods, and save the semi chisel for the dead or frozen stuff(not that I cut much frozen).???
     
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  2. sunfish

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    I cut around 15 cords of dead oak a year. Semi-chisel works MUCH better for me!

    I do use full chisel a bit, but only in clean, green wood.
     
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    My cutting per year is all over the place for firewood. I do use semi-chisel for all most of my cutting. On the "rare" occasion that the dirty little trees that I cut for firewood get a nice monsoon "bath". I switch over to full chisel chain and have at it! LOL

    Dirty wood = semi-chisel chain

    Clean wood = full-chisel chain

    My .02

    Mike
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    Chisel is fine if the wood is clean, as a matter of fact it is great. If the wood is dirty that is where the semi will shine. Use what you have and maybe try a loop of semi next time and see what you like better. Much of the wood I get has been skidded with a skid steer. Chisel chain only cuts better for a few cuts and then it is pretty much the same as semi in dirty wood. I usually will sharpen chisel every tank or two of fuel. I usually get 3-4 tanks out of semi chisel before it needs touched up.

    This could be my imagination, but i think semi chisel might be easier to sharpen. I'm not sure if it is a function of the chain design or if the working corner just doesn't get beat quite as hard.
     
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    Using a 394? Maybe a 24" bar??? I'll go out on a limb and say "use whatever you got on hand"... Take the rakers down to ~.030 and fear no wood!!! :rock:
     
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    Not your imagination. Semi-chisel was designed to be easier to sharpen and stay sharp longer.

    When the sharp corner of a chisel cutter gets roached, the cutter much be sharpened back until the corner is sharp again. Sometimes ya got to file it back a good ways to do this.
     
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    This is true... I hit a floor jack with 3 of my right side cutters the other day and has been 2 sharpenings now and still not completely gone... And no Don... You can't ask how I hit the floor jack with just 3 cutters...:msp_rolleyes:
     
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    Are you asking if you should?? Or are you suggesting that you will but you still want everyone to give their opinion......??

    Either way it seems you want a response. I guess I don't know how to respond as you haven't really asked a solid question (at least that's how I'm reading it).

    Mind you I'm paraphrasing here, but this is what I'm getting out of your post - "I use full chisel all the time, it's all I've used but I don't really have any issues or problems with using it. Should I use full chisel on green wood, and semi chisel for harder wood??"


    It seems that you're hoping to gain something here. But if there's no problem with what you have been doing (or so it seems to me), what's the reason / purpose in changing what you're doing??? What are you looking to get out of asking....???
     
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  9. eriklane

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    full chisel vs semi

    I got what I wanted-I'm just learning this now, and yes, I did buy all full chisels in the last 2 yrs, going for speed without realizing the trade off.

    I will buy a semi for dead/dry solid wood (not the punky crap) that's very rough on a full chisel chain, and then use full chisel only on the clean, green wood.

    And I also just learned that a skip tooth chain is best for my 33" bar, and will also get that in a semi. It's rare that I'm cutting huge live trees. I've got a massive hickory now that I need to take apart and that'll do it for me.

    So, the gain I'd wondered about is clear-on clean/green wood, the full chisel is fast and will hold up. On less clean or hard/dry wood, the semi will hold up longer and even last longer while cutting, thus, giving me less fits.

    It's all coming clear now...
     
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    Well that was goin to be my first question, but you can tell me in person some day. :msp_biggrin:
     
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    I bet it was sumthin similar to how i knocked 3 or more off my splitter saw chain.
     
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    I run all full chisel and full comp up to 32" bars. I have semi skip for the 36" bar and its all square ground. I don't have any semi chisel so I can't compare it to chisel staying sharp.
     
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    I used to run a lot of carlton semi-chisel because thats what the guy next to the liquor store had. He retired.
    I noticed something cutting mostly clean wood with sc that I never seen happen with chisel, the top plate going concave from the chips honing away the softer metal underneath. The chisel may do the same thing but the point goes away and you file it before it gos that far.
     
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    No comment... (-:
     
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    10-4 :cheers:
     
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    You will cookie cut faster with Chisel Chain, you will cut more wood faster with Semi-chisel as you don't/won't have to stop nearly as often to sharpen and it stays sharper longer, although it is slower/duller to begin with when compared to Chisel.

    Think of Semi Chisel as a big round wave on a line graph with lower peaks and higher valleys. Where as, chisel is more peaky with higher highs and lower lows.

    Or another way is semi-chisel is a man and chisel is a woman, it has its points, but its emotional, with associated highs and lows. The semi is just steady, always trying to work without the drama, headache and fuss.

    Or chisel is faster and slower, Semi-chisel is in the middle always working.

    Sam
     
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    Well, seems like your body should be suffering now.

    So the semi-chisel must stand around farting, bragging, and spitting whilst the chisel is out working and getting things done?

    Let me think, emotionally and I do have a headache...coffee hasn't kicked in yet...hmmm. Don't the real PRO FALLERS use the square file chisel girly chain then? In fact, that chain is so like women that it is more efficient and gets the cut done in less time...:buttkick:
     
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    I too am a semi chisel fan. 30 years ago i found when the tip of the chisel got rounded a little the saw wouldn't cut good so i switched to semi. I still use some chisel i just watch what i cut with it. Now if i did cutting like the chainsaw racers do with clean pretty wood on a rack it would be chisel all the way...Bob
     
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    I mostly use chisel, as most of my wood is clean and green, and seldom is skidded. :msp_smile:
     

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