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cuttinupferalivin

cuttinupferalivin

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As a tree service owner operator, I am appalled at how places such as Home Advisor, 1-800 contractor, Prch.com, and other internet companies are taking jobs from potential customers then selling them back to the tree service owner...Home Advisor has gained a monopoly on the tree service market ...then there's places like Monster Tree that is seeking franchises to people who have more money than they know what to do with...
Tree work is a occupation that is slowly learned and when operating a tree service, you should earn your wah into the field...it is life threatening work and these newbies that are cutting throats on estimates will get theirs...keep on using dull saws, cause you can't sharpen one, keep on hiring just anyone, and watch what happens to your company..readon I say this is because I'm witnessing it..
 
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I understand that theses job lead generation companies are hitting the entire realm of the small business world with their clout..its something that needs to be addressed.
It opens doors for unscrupulous people to come in and rape the market..people like Monster Tree service
 
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I shut down the plowing business this season- just not worth fighting this type of stuff anymore. It was bad enough with tom ,****,or harry, low balling for beer money( or whatever) and running without insurance. A few years back I signed on to one these just to see what could be possible- mostly the ones I was sent were nightmare accounts - super intense service , poor to no pay types, and equipment that would need to be parked at location where it may or may not still be there 24 hours later, when checked, didn't need that kind of business either.
 
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I shut down the plowing business this season- just not worth fighting this type of stuff anymore. It was bad enough with tom ,****,or harry, low balling for beer money( or whatever) and running without insurance. A few years back I signed on to one these just to see what could be possible- mostly the ones I was sent were nightmare accounts - super intense service , poor to no pay types, and equipment that would need to be parked at location where it may or may not still be there 24 hours later, when checked, didn't need that kind of business either.
It's a total lack of disrespect and greed on their behalf. This world is going south quick, and the internet is paving the way for most of it to happen...theres good and bad in every equation though, and the good here is knowing that God is going to surely destroy the image of the beast once it gets to that certain point where He says, I'VE HAD ENOUGH!
 
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It's a total lack of disrespect and greed on their behalf. This world is going south quick, and the internet is paving the way for most of it to happen...theres good and bad in every equation though, and the good here is knowing that God is going to surely destroy the image of the beast once it gets to that certain point where He says, I'VE HAD ENOUGH!
I'm sorry to hear that you decided to shut it down..i feel that way sometimes, but I have to work somewhere..one of the reasons I'm commenting here...thinking of running a saw shop for the local tree cutters so I can somehow at least stay semibusy
 
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saw shop- actually full machine shop that I have here. Most of what I do is regrinding carbide saws, saw chains, chipper blades and the list goes on. Plus machining, machine repair, welding and such. Its been lean that last 8 years -things have picked up dramatically in last 9 months. The internet has had a decided affect on certain portions of the business like the plowing. I am not a cnc shop- all old school.
 
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saw shop- actually full machine shop that I have here. Most of what I do is regrinding carbide saws, saw chains, chipper blades and the list goes on. Plus machining, machine repair, welding and such. Its been lean that last 8 years -things have picked up dramatically in last 9 months. The internet has had a decided affect on certain portions of the business like the plowing. I am not a cnc shop- all old school.
Well ,I have some carbide stump grinder teeth, some chipper knives, and a rack of chains that I can send you if you should slow down..can you mill c yl. bases
 
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I get calls from these companies all the time extremely pushy and have real trouble taking no for an answer. Used one of these companies a while back and after I quit using the service if you looked my company up they would redirect customers using my company name to my competition. After that I have avoided them like the plague.
 

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I receive calls from these companies Yelp, Home Advisor, and others I never heard of. I don't need any more business I tell them my reputation speaks for it self. They are very persistent calling me and just a PITA. One of the things that's funny about Homeadvisor is they claims to do a back ground check on their contractors. Well, I know of a so called tree service (gypsy) here who is a Homeadvisor contractor. I know for a fact the owner has had multiple arrests for heroin possesion. It appears Homeadvisor is very desperate for contractors and being involved in the heroin business is just fine with them. HOW NICE. SO IF YOUR A DOPER, HOME ADVISOR WANTS YOU!!!!!!!!!!! There are now web sites that offer public information back ground checks and general information on individuals from court convictions, driving records, etc. You have to pay a monthly fee like I do but well worth the 20 bucks.

Yelp on the other hand has deleted some of my positive comments on their web site because I refused to advertise with them. Do a Yelp history search and see how corrupt that organization is.

Oh I almost forgot with the snow plowing. STAY AWAY from the organizations that are the "middle man". Only deal directly with the property owner. I was contacted by these people and had a couple of contracts sent to me cause I was curious in what they wanted for snow service. Bottom line is if you dont follow the contract stipulations to the "T", your screwed. I've read many horror stories on the snow plow forums about this. I know what commercial sites use the "middle man" in my area and every year there is a new plow contractor doing the lot. I wonder why??
 
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Because it is almost impossible to get paid- let alone in a timely manner. Couple years back middle man for plowing out of Mich. for Autozone stores. had them send me a copy of the contract, looked it over real close, called them back and said 50% up front, balance due Dec 1. Lots of excuses why that was not possible. Told them no tickee no washee. This is standard for a seasonal contract around here. Also weeds out the no pay types real quick. If the first half doesn't arrive nothing gets done, and account is dropped from list. If the balance is not paid by Jan 1, same action applies.
If that type of clause is not present in the contract walk away. Ya its a hard line, but its my wallet that takes the beating other wise. No fancy language just two plain statements that can't be twisted by some fancy mouth piece. Al;ways write your contract with your self as the sole discretionary person regarding plowable and /or salting situations. Leave no wiggle room. It's your tail in the sling other wise in this litigation crazy society. Chris, Mr. B's Blades
 
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No disrespect to the OP. He came here with a rant about people stealing his business. What does this have to do with injuries and fatalities? Then he hasn't been seen since January 28th. But the post just won't go away. I counted 5 typos in his rant, maybe he isn't losing work because Home Advisor is stealing it, but because he submits poorly written estimates. There is always somebody trying to make a buck off of others work. Forty years ago, the State of Maryland, offered my Dad an invitation to submit a bid to clear all of the big green signs along 95 passing through the state. We were licensed and insured, but for the residential work we did, bonding was not required. When he contacted our insurance company about bonding, they said they could do it, but recommended we not submit a contract. They said we would eventually get paid, but the State was notorious for stretching out the payment to the last second that was legal, and if you went bankrupt waiting, oh well. So, seek and follow good advice. Businessmen have always had to put up with fly by night competition and shaky advertising ploys. Maybe this qualifies as AI&F because they hurt his feelings, Joe.
 
CLASSIIILVR

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WHY THE HECK WOULD SOMEONE PAY A MIDDLE MAN? CRAZY TO ME THAT PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TO DEAL WITH A PHONE OPERATOR IN A ANOTHER STATE WHO SELLS THE JOB OFF TO A LOCAL BIZ OWNER OR A FRANCHISE COMPANY HIRING ANY ILLEGAL THAT THEY CAN FIND TO PUT TO WORK! BLOWS MY MIND!
PEOPLE NEED TO KEEP THEIR MONEY AND JOBS LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL AND DEAL DIRECTLY WITH A REPUTABLE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER FACE TO FACE!!!!!!
 
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