Well I made $1400 today after crew costs. I'm not really looking to make less by working for somebody. What you should be asking is how could I make more money if I hired you to take over operations and all I had to do was sell the work and collect the money. The actual tree work is only one part of doing business, bringing in the customers is just as important to be successful.... What do you think you are worth to any of the other business owners on this site? As in, what would any of the "dik click" be willing to pay you for your expertise, your ability, your presence on their jobsite? Put aside the "I wouldn't want to work for any of you guys" bs for one moment and indulge this hypothetical. Seriously, what do you think you could actually earn as a day rate from an established company?