Discussion in 'Chainsaw' started by Glockem45, Nov 9, 2015.
Many wrap models come with West Coast chain cover, double dogs, chain catch, and HD Oiler.
Not a FULL wrap however.
How's it going Jeremy?
Same chit different wheelbarrow Mike.
Can’t complain I guess
Isn't the porting different on an actual R model to give the saw more bottom end torque or grunt verses speed ? I got into this discussion with our Stihl dealer and they looked up the cylinder for an 046 and there were two different cylinder options one for a regular 046 chainsaw and an 046 Rescue saw . I have one of these Rescue saws with that style of wrap handle and it is a tad slower than a regular 046 . I always liked that saw because of the torque and the handle . The only drawback to that style handle is taking the bar off or putting it back on and to tension the chain.
I know we are discussing 461 but it is still basically the same saw.
There is no difference in cylinders between the R models, wrap or rescue and the stock saw. The 046 had two different cylinders. The first ones came with a D shaped combustion chamber, which made better compression, and the later cylinder was shaped differently.
The 461 cylinders won’t bolt up to an 046/MS 460. Most parts fit on one another. However, while the cases are similar in size & dimensions, the cylinder bolts are quite a bit different.
Thanks, I didn't know this because I am behind the times when it comes to these newer saws. Sorry for the derail of the thread .
They are similar in a lot of ways, but the 461 is a quad port and the lower transfer feeds from the front (not the sides), so the cylinder bolt pattern is longer.
3 of the 4 starter recoil bolts will line up, and you can swap em, but they are not the same. Also, the decomp on a 461 is not in the center, and they have 3 bolt / limited RPM coils. (but you can swap coils and they run just fine).
Also, the 461 comes with a HD-50 carb … has different fuel circuitry. Most 440s/460s don't like that carb, but I have one ported 460 that just really improved with that carb … go figure! (It won the ported 460 competition at this years Upstate NY GTG.)
460s and 461s share the same tank holders and mufflers, chain brakes, etc. I think the flywheels, oilers and clutches are also the same.
They have the same HP, but most people feel the 461 has a broader torque range.
I couldn’t find a 461 r in my area and the dealer wanted $1200 for one so I made my own out of a new 461 I found for $980 OTD. I put the big clutch cover on it , high output oiler, and the factory dogs. Mine is just like a R model minus the wrap handle.
You should see Car Salespeople here in the UP! … Customer service is a lost art anymore
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