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MS461 or MS461R ?

Discussion in 'Chainsaw' started by Glockem45, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. MustangMike

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    Many wrap models come with West Coast chain cover, double dogs, chain catch, and HD Oiler.
     
  2. Adirondackstihl

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    Not a FULL wrap however.
    ;)
     
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    How's it going Jeremy?
     
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    Adirondackstihl Flyz, Fuel & Fotos

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    Same chit different wheelbarrow Mike.
    Can’t complain I guess
     
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    Isn't the porting different on an actual R model to give the saw more bottom end torque or grunt verses speed ? I got into this discussion with our Stihl dealer and they looked up the cylinder for an 046 and there were two different cylinder options one for a regular 046 chainsaw and an 046 Rescue saw . I have one of these Rescue saws with that style of wrap handle and it is a tad slower than a regular 046 . I always liked that saw because of the torque and the handle . The only drawback to that style handle is taking the bar off or putting it back on and to tension the chain.

    I know we are discussing 461 but it is still basically the same saw.
     
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  6. Adirondackstihl

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    Nope
     
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    There is no difference in cylinders between the R models, wrap or rescue and the stock saw. The 046 had two different cylinders. The first ones came with a D shaped combustion chamber, which made better compression, and the later cylinder was shaped differently.

    The 461 cylinders won’t bolt up to an 046/MS 460. Most parts fit on one another. However, while the cases are similar in size & dimensions, the cylinder bolts are quite a bit different.
     
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    Thanks, I didn't know this because I am behind the times when it comes to these newer saws. Sorry for the derail of the thread .
     
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    They are similar in a lot of ways, but the 461 is a quad port and the lower transfer feeds from the front (not the sides), so the cylinder bolt pattern is longer.

    3 of the 4 starter recoil bolts will line up, and you can swap em, but they are not the same. Also, the decomp on a 461 is not in the center, and they have 3 bolt / limited RPM coils. (but you can swap coils and they run just fine).

    Also, the 461 comes with a HD-50 carb … has different fuel circuitry. Most 440s/460s don't like that carb, but I have one ported 460 that just really improved with that carb … go figure! (It won the ported 460 competition at this years Upstate NY GTG.)

    460s and 461s share the same tank holders and mufflers, chain brakes, etc. I think the flywheels, oilers and clutches are also the same.

    They have the same HP, but most people feel the 461 has a broader torque range.
     
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    5FAE72E1-0180-481D-A571-F1E6B11BDDCA.jpeg I couldn’t find a 461 r in my area and the dealer wanted $1200 for one so I made my own out of a new 461 I found for $980 OTD. I put the big clutch cover on it , high output oiler, and the factory dogs. Mine is just like a R model minus the wrap handle.
     
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