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Discussion in 'Commercial Tree Care and Climbing' started by Andrew Cunningham, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. treebilly

    treebilly ArboristSite Guru

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    Decent climbers out the work down. Great climbers out it down and the ground crew loves them for it. I'm not gonna say I'm a great but my ground pounders are some of my best friends. We all understand that the job can suck at times but we do what we can to help it not suck for each other. Don't ever bury your groundcrew in a mess you aren't willing to clean up yourself because they might walk off if you do.

    If they need coffee to the point they become a *****, buy them a Stanley thermos and tell them to bring their own damn coffee:surprised3:
     
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    treebilly ArboristSite Guru

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    Sorry got derailed from your post. You can down load GF Beraneks book from educatedclimber.com for like 20 bucks. Gerry is the man and Patrick is helping to continue his work.
     
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    "Groundhumans". I like that. :D

    Speaking as the smartest groundman alive, I'm perfectly willing to admit that the climbers are, by far, the biggest part of the show. But like you, I've seen companies who regard groundmen as a transient part of the equation. Pay 'em crap, expect them to both know nothing and yet do the job properly, and maybe they quit after a few weeks. Then hire more bozos and do it all again. That's not only bad business, it's bad for safety.

    Pay the groundies a good wage, teach them, offer job security... and then they start buying their own gear. And gear they buy and own is gear they are far more likely to respect and learn to use properly. Then the climber gets a guy he can trust with his life and his gear. And all of us knowing perfectly well how dangerous this job is, why wouldn't the climber, the guy with the most dangerous part of the job, want people who not only know how to look out for him, but actually give a crap and look out for him with good knowledge of the dangers he faces, both personally, and with relation to the damage the work can do to the surroundings.
     
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    Groundman One Star Gazer

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    A double espresso for the gentleman from Ohio. :drinkingcoffee:
     
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    Climbing in the tree is one thing. I worked with lots of young, athletic kids (especially those with rock climbing experience) who learned how to get into the tree and move around the tree in no time. But then had no ****ing idea what to do once they were there ie where to cut, what to cut or how to cut.
     
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    The ball-siest MF I ever saw in a tree was also the worst cutter. He did Evel Knievel **** in the tree that still makes my nuts go into my stomach when I think about it, but then he cuts a branch and his saw comes right comes down with it.

    Ahhhhhh.... climbers. :rolleyes:
     
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    I got news for you guys, some of the best climbers in this industry are Hispanic, CA's and know how it's done, and done quickly.

    There's a huge advantage to weighing only 125 lbs, built like Bruce Lee, there power to weight ratio's are phenomenal.

    Big shout out to Eddie from El Salvador!

    Many world champ's are Hispanic, and proud of it, as they should be!

    Jomoco
     
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    jomoco Tree Freak

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    Personally?

    Those little Bruce Lee's like Eddie are sneaky, IMO.

    They come from countries rife with monkeys, get to lay around n study how they move so languid n effortlessly through the canopies, letting the tendons n cartilage take the weight, conserving muscular energy.

    Taint fair at all I'm tellin yu!

    Jomoco
     
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    jomoco Tree Freak

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    A coupla ITCC Champ's ringin bells n makin like monkeys.



    Jomoco
     
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    Get rid of the TV watch nothin but You Tube vids on climbin and tree work. Back in the day we learned from one guy who we watched from the ground, right or wrong you learned from the climber you worked for. Nowadays you have access to so many great climbers and their techniques you actually get to be in the tree watching, ya just don't know how lucky you are. Learn from the ground up and know your knots so you can tie them in the dark. Good Luck.
     
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    jomoco Tree Freak

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    What's the quickest safest climbing hitch, you can tie with one hand, in an emergency?

    Jomoco
     
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    You mean like a Munter ?
     
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    Nope.

    Proof yu can't learn everything on YouTube!

    Only the old ones know.

    Jomoco
     
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    taut line, every climber should know it.
    Jeff
     
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    A true three fingered amigo in a pinch!

    Don't ask me how I know it can be tied in a hurry with only one hand though!

    Jomoco
     
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    One handed and behind the back. The BSA taught me right. I was on the **** list a lot so my knots had to be tied behind my back in order to eat at summer camp. Prolly not legal these days but I deserved it I’m sure.
     
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    Something to do with "Olga's House of Pain", I assume. :innocent:
     
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    Caused by a dipchit rookie crane operator not following instructions.......

    Jomoco
     
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    one thing i learned shortly after buying all the fancy srt gear i saw all the youtubers using was that i needed to learn how to climb with the basics first then work up to all that fancy complicated extra gear to think about. when i used a simple blakes on a split tail for the first time i was sooo much faster since i wasnt fiddling with my gear the whole time. i suggest starting with a simple blakes hitch and the minimal gear to get going. more important than which knots and what rope is learning to use a saw on the ground and becoming very good at controlling the wood with your cuts, if you havnt put in a ton of time with a saw on the ground and dropped many a tree yet then dont even try to climb with one! u gotta know for sure that the cut you choose at the angle u decide is gonna make the limb act how you predict and not just hope for the best. add to the equation avoiding cutting the ropes holding you in the tree, lanyards, rigging lines, tag lines, falling wood, and shaking trees when the cut is made then you better be sure of your saw skills, when you are topping a tree thats rigged and you gotta hurry up and turn the saw off, toss it aside and grab ahold of the tree where u just cut so you dont fly off from the shaking it can be overwhelming and scary, the last thing u need is to be uncomfortable with the saw in that situation. just start at the beginning and work your way up one part at a time, do lots of cuts on the ground, handle lots of wood, when u are ready to climb start slow, dont even take a saw up with you until u get the feel for it, if u are new and some company tries to make u go wreck out a big tree without good training then dont work for them
     
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    So true my groundie and I have been threw some crazy **** together! Thick and thin we take care of eachother .it's one hell of a friendship!
     
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