xander9727
The Silverback
Albert Einstein said it best: "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds".
Sealing Wounds?
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Elmore
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PreEmptive Strike on Decay
Here is what I was thinking in regard to decreasing wood decay at large wound sites. Apply a borate such as Timbor or Solubor, disodium octaborate tetrahydrate. Timbor is labeled a pesticide and mixes at 1lb per 1g of water. Applied to wood till runoff, wait 1/2 hr and apply again. If exposed to rain it should be sealed. Solubor is identical but is labelled AG, as a foliar source of boron. Read the label, it's the law. A good product to seal with is Doc Farwell's Grafting Seal or Seal & Heal. Both products are the same. Color is the difference. Yellow is used by a lot of grafters in OR. Green is used by a lot in CA. May be available in gray. Also have a white Tree Paint that may be identical. I have some green but would like to try the gray.
I spoke to Jeffrey Lloyd of Nisus and he indicated some problems with callous growth associated with contact to the borate. If sealed I would think that it wouldn't matter as it originates from meristem. My concern is with translocation and uptake by the living organism, the tree. Mr Lloyd suggested use of a "Knockdown Insecticide" in conjunction with quaternary ammonium compounds, no sealing of wound. The quaternary ammonium compound suggested is didecyl dimethyl ammonium chloride (DDAC).
More info : http://216.48.37.142/pubs/viewpub.jsp?index=7114
http://www.nisuscorp.com/brochure.asp
http://www.farwellproducts.peachhost.com/
Here is what I was thinking in regard to decreasing wood decay at large wound sites. Apply a borate such as Timbor or Solubor, disodium octaborate tetrahydrate. Timbor is labeled a pesticide and mixes at 1lb per 1g of water. Applied to wood till runoff, wait 1/2 hr and apply again. If exposed to rain it should be sealed. Solubor is identical but is labelled AG, as a foliar source of boron. Read the label, it's the law. A good product to seal with is Doc Farwell's Grafting Seal or Seal & Heal. Both products are the same. Color is the difference. Yellow is used by a lot of grafters in OR. Green is used by a lot in CA. May be available in gray. Also have a white Tree Paint that may be identical. I have some green but would like to try the gray.
I spoke to Jeffrey Lloyd of Nisus and he indicated some problems with callous growth associated with contact to the borate. If sealed I would think that it wouldn't matter as it originates from meristem. My concern is with translocation and uptake by the living organism, the tree. Mr Lloyd suggested use of a "Knockdown Insecticide" in conjunction with quaternary ammonium compounds, no sealing of wound. The quaternary ammonium compound suggested is didecyl dimethyl ammonium chloride (DDAC).
More info : http://216.48.37.142/pubs/viewpub.jsp?index=7114
http://www.nisuscorp.com/brochure.asp
http://www.farwellproducts.peachhost.com/
stuff
I need to get A shigos book. I had heard second handed that you shouldn't cavity repair or paint. We all have done it at somepoint. I am a climber first of all. I see the damage of cavitys. I have repaired them too. I have watched my hocus pocus allow a branch to encapsulate the filler thus preventing ramshorning. Remember when doctors said vitamin c was bad for you? This month this is next month their cure is. While I admit NOT having a cance to read Dr. Alex Shigo's book feel common sense should have some degree of play. If you are a climber you are in essance a Dr. Doctors practice medicine to heal and help the sick as we practice Arborculture to help and heal the trees. This is my personal take. I have seen borers in Arizona ash trees burrow into properly pruned cuts. Maybe I need to add a pesticide to the water based paint. Not house paint professional pruners paint.
I need to get A shigos book. I had heard second handed that you shouldn't cavity repair or paint. We all have done it at somepoint. I am a climber first of all. I see the damage of cavitys. I have repaired them too. I have watched my hocus pocus allow a branch to encapsulate the filler thus preventing ramshorning. Remember when doctors said vitamin c was bad for you? This month this is next month their cure is. While I admit NOT having a cance to read Dr. Alex Shigo's book feel common sense should have some degree of play. If you are a climber you are in essance a Dr. Doctors practice medicine to heal and help the sick as we practice Arborculture to help and heal the trees. This is my personal take. I have seen borers in Arizona ash trees burrow into properly pruned cuts. Maybe I need to add a pesticide to the water based paint. Not house paint professional pruners paint.
Idea to ponder
If putting paint on cevered branches is bad because of fungis. My question to all (retorical ofcourse) is do you clean and use a fungiside/vericide after each tree you trim? Also remember new members will always go over old discussions. Trying to stay with the current topic while putting their .02 on the knowledge they share or would like to affirm on the old topic. Climb on
If putting paint on cevered branches is bad because of fungis. My question to all (retorical ofcourse) is do you clean and use a fungiside/vericide after each tree you trim? Also remember new members will always go over old discussions. Trying to stay with the current topic while putting their .02 on the knowledge they share or would like to affirm on the old topic. Climb on
Guy Meilleur
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hey trzz, that's not a rhetorical question but one that easily deserves an answer. I rarely use sealant, certainly <1% of wounds. The ones that get sealed are the ones with the highest probability of major decay.
When you know from long experience that certain wounds are likely to shorten the safe useful life of the tree, it's negligent not to try something to stop or slow that decay.
When you know from long experience that certain wounds are likely to shorten the safe useful life of the tree, it's negligent not to try something to stop or slow that decay.
xander9727
The Silverback
Well put Guy.
Yea
Thats what I think. I have never seen a problem on any area I have ever painted. Maybe just blind luck. Ash trees in houston get borers and where I see the hole of their home is in the severed portions of the branch structure.
Thats what I think. I have never seen a problem on any area I have ever painted. Maybe just blind luck. Ash trees in houston get borers and where I see the hole of their home is in the severed portions of the branch structure.
paint
I use a product called Tree Cote. It comes in a bucket and is water soluble. I feel it is better for the tree. I am needing info on a possible poisn to mix with paint. Something not to dangerous incase of hand/face contact with paint. I am considering boric acid but I don't know if it would affect tree in a negitive way. I think its only poisnous if you consume it but before I try it I'll need to ask a chemist and a horticulturist. Anyone know of one?
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I use a product called Tree Cote. It comes in a bucket and is water soluble. I feel it is better for the tree. I am needing info on a possible poisn to mix with paint. Something not to dangerous incase of hand/face contact with paint. I am considering boric acid but I don't know if it would affect tree in a negitive way. I think its only poisnous if you consume it but before I try it I'll need to ask a chemist and a horticulturist. Anyone know of one?
heeeheehheeeeheeee waiting for input
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
Creosote comes to mind.
Trzz-be carefull about home brew pesticides. You can get into a bind with EPA and whatever you have for a DNR out there.
Thanks netree and jeffe. Maybe stick to a commercial insecticide. Paul, I don't think it has creosote because it is water soliuble. It unfortunately does not have an ingredent list. However this is their address. Treekote
tree wound dressing pruning and grafting compound. product of Walter E. Clark & Son
550 Grassy Hill Rd.
Orange, Conn. 06477-0756
I have the gallon container size. Let me know what ya think. Sincerely Trzz
tree wound dressing pruning and grafting compound. product of Walter E. Clark & Son
550 Grassy Hill Rd.
Orange, Conn. 06477-0756
I have the gallon container size. Let me know what ya think. Sincerely Trzz
Elmore
Addicted to ArboristSite
Info put out by Walter E. Clark & Son
http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=10&q=http://www.waltereclark.com/wwounds.htm&e=7317
but, I believe that it is an asphalt emulsion which likely has phytotoxic properties.
Doc Farwell's Seal and Heal is a better product.
For a commercial insecticide I suggest Permethrin. Better, if you have it, is Lindane or chlorpyrifos.
<img src="http://www.headlice.org/images/nyplindane.gif">
Permethrin works well. http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&star...sticides/permethrin/cox-report/cox.htm&e=7317
To stimulated callous formation you might try applying IAA, Indoleacetic acid, 0.1%, in a paste to the meristematic tissue.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=10&q=http://www.waltereclark.com/wwounds.htm&e=7317
but, I believe that it is an asphalt emulsion which likely has phytotoxic properties.
Doc Farwell's Seal and Heal is a better product.
For a commercial insecticide I suggest Permethrin. Better, if you have it, is Lindane or chlorpyrifos.
<img src="http://www.headlice.org/images/nyplindane.gif">
Permethrin works well. http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&star...sticides/permethrin/cox-report/cox.htm&e=7317
To stimulated callous formation you might try applying IAA, Indoleacetic acid, 0.1%, in a paste to the meristematic tissue.
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Nickrosis
Manned by Boderators
The paint is the problematic part, permethrin is pumped out in canning factories to keep the flies down.
xander9727
The Silverback
Nick,
Didn't you intern in a cannery one summer?
Was their motto "We eat what we can, and what we can't, we can"?
Didn't you intern in a cannery one summer?
Was their motto "We eat what we can, and what we can't, we can"?
Nickrosis
Manned by Boderators
I can't canfirm nor defly.xander9727 said:
xander9727
The Silverback
I like it!
How long did it take? Was it an instant response or did you ponder on it a while?
How long did it take? Was it an instant response or did you ponder on it a while?
Nickrosis
Manned by Boderators
Instant response. Kinda like when the flys in the cannery were enveloped in the fog and instantly were knocked down. Some people were stupidder after working there because iffin they breathed the air, it made 'em dumberer.
Stumper
One Man Band
Nick, What a bunch of blarn...er Barney.
