Songbirds and Salmonellis

[TNTreeHugger]

From the first article
“Salmonellis is almost exclusively reported from locations with bird feeders where birds congregate,” the CDFW said."

So, common sense, and 63 years of observation, tells me the "where birds congregate" is BS.
That leaves "bird feeders" suspect.... and, specifically, what's in them.

From the CDC lab reports:
"WGS showed that bacteria from sick people’s samples are closely related genetically. This means that people in this outbreak likely got sick from contact with the same source.

Officials in Oregon and Washington collected samples from sick or dead wild pine siskin birds. WGS analysis showed that the Salmonella from the pine siskins are closely related to bacteria from sick people."

All this means, and they neglected to mention, is that both the birds and the people got sick from the same source.... the one thing they all had in common was physical contact with was the bird seed in the feeders.

What they're not saying speaks volumes, imo.

Whenever there is a human salmonella outbreak what's the first thing they do? Locate the food source of the bacteria. They don't blame it on the grocery stores, or restaurants.

 

[TNTreeHugger]

Well whats your theory on how they got it ?

I'm working on it.
See my above post.

 

[1Alpha1]

Well, just for the record, I did go out today and clean and scrub the bird bath. I hadn't realized just how bad it was. Used some bleach to disinfect it while I was at it. Rinsed it all out and filled it once again.

It's looking so good now................

 

[TNTreeHugger]

How, does this even qualify as an "outbreak"?? 19 people spread out over eight states, over a three month time period..
One person, every few days...from the east coast to the west coast.
5-6 people in WA and OR combined
3-4 people in CA
1 in OK,
1 in KY
1 in TN
1 in MS
1 in NH
ALL over a three month period!!

Who's idea was it to turn this into a big bird pandemic??
What a bunch of freaking crazyass people in this world.

Sorry for wasting everyone's time with this one.

 

[TNTreeHugger]

Well, just for the record, I did go out today and clean and scrub the bird bath. I hadn't realized just how bad it was. Used some bleach to disinfect it while I was at it. Rinsed it all out and filled it once again.

It's looking so good now................

Use vinegar, not bleach.
Mine doesn't hold water long enough to get dirty... in the summer it gets a rust colored crud on it that I scrub out.

 

[Del_]

It's pretty well documented Sherlock.

Human Salmonella Infections from Live Poultry in Backyard Flocks​

Outbreaks of Human Salmonella Infections Linked to Backyard Poultry

Salmonella infections don’t just come from contaminated food—they can come from contact with animals, too.

www.cdc.gov

Chickens, ducks, geese, turkey, and other live poultry can carry Salmonella germs in their guts. Live poultry can have Salmonella germs in their droppings and on their feathers, feet, and beaks, even when they appear healthy and clean. These germs can spread to the environment where poultry live and roam, including their coops, cages, hay, soil, and feed and water dishes. People can get sick from contact with anything in the bird’s environment, even if they don’t touch the bird directly. Backyard poultry flocks are an increasing and important cause of Salmonella infections in people in the United States.

 

[TNTreeHugger]

However... this is interesting
Outbreaks linked to food, animals, and other sources...

Outbreaks Involving Salmonella | CDC

Information about salmonella, including outbreaks, symptoms and diagnosis

www.cdc.gov

 

[lone wolf]

However... this is interesting
Outbreaks linked to food, animals, and other sources...

Outbreaks Involving Salmonella | CDC

Information about salmonella, including outbreaks, symptoms and diagnosis

www.cdc.gov

What about a breakdown of immune systems due to man made poisons or the like?

 

[Del_]

Georgians Finding Sick, Dead Birds As Finches Crowd Feeders​

MOLLY SAMUEL • FEB 26, 2021

Georgians Finding Sick, Dead Birds As Finches Crowd Feeders | 90.1 FM WABE

Georgia wildlife officials say they've been getting a lot of calls recently about sick or dead birds in people's backyards. They say it’s especially happening in denser areas where many people have bird feeders. And it’s happening to birds that are in Georgia in unusually high numbers this...

www.wabe.org

 

[Del_]

Wonder what Q says?

 

[TNTreeHugger]

Salmonella - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TNTreeHugger]

Outbreak of Salmonella Newport Infections Linked to Cucumbers — United States, 2014

www.cdc.gov

"raw manure fertilizer"

 

[sb47]

You just can't be nice, can you. This was a pretty benign, non aggressive thread, and then you had to ruin it. I suggest you look around and try to think about what is going well for your life, and then try to have a better outlook. Maybe take a day or two off from the net? Go somewhere where there is no signal? Lots of places to do that here. it would be very good for you.

Yeah, like Del never started a fight. You reap what you sow.

 

[edisto]

Why would it be any different for these birds - I want to know the source of the bird seed that went into those feeders.

It isn't...but birds are indiscriminate crappers. The risk will vary with feeder design, it is much more likely that they are contaminating the food themselves.

 

[edisto]

Whenever there is a human salmonella outbreak what's the first thing they do? Locate the food source of the bacteria. They don't blame it on the grocery stores, or restaurants.

Again...people are much less likely to crap on their food, or in their bath, than birds are.

 

[yooper]

Wonder what Q says?

Black birds matter

 

[Del_]

Yeah, like Del never started a fight. You reap what you sow.

You on the other hand join in on a thread and add nothing other than running your pie hole.

 

[Del_]

Black birds matter

...in the dead of night. Take these broken wings and...

 

[Goinwheelin]

Wonder what Q says?

Jim Crow on steroids

 

[Goinwheelin]

Or maybe it was Jim Eagle.